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What you could do has so little bearing over what is actually being done. Especially since a rule banning misuse is better than banning an entire technology ove

by ksaj 4y ago

What you could do has so little bearing over what is actually being done. Especially since a rule banning misuse is better than banning an entire technology over a single potential use case. They're not banning regular images even though the medium could be used for revenge porn. So why this?

PaulHoule 4y ago
There are two trends around NSFW images. (1) If it wasn't for the second there would be a gold rush of firms trying to replicate the success of OnlyFans, that is, there is already a huge business and the possibility of a much larger business. (2) There is also increasing trouble around NSFW images. Consider CSAM. The trouble with CSAM is that CSAM is documentation of child abuse and that's why it has to be prosecuted. On the other hand people don't really get in trouble for child pornography which is hand drawn because the forbidden desire isn't the problem, the original crime is the problem. With AI image generation people can generate unlimited quantities of "child abuse free" CSAM which might reduce the market for real CSAM but will vastly complicate the problem of managing CSAM. I think people will find other reasons to crack down on pornography. As ugly and stupid as traditional pornography is (e.g. consider the 'pigface' scowl that was routine in Penthouse and Hustler and is still common or the many conventions that I think are completely unarousing but seduce people in the perverse manner of 'this is common in pornography so it must be arousing'), I suspect the OnlyFans model is actually more harmful to users. Payment networks are cracking down, for instance the polymorphous perverse site Danbooru got cut off. AI generated porn is just going to lead to more fear of things getting out of hand and swifter and more complete crackdowns.
- ksaj 4y ago
  I don't see how Reddit banning a technology will cut down on CSAM. Aren't they already doing something about CSAM that appears on their site, real or generated? Besides, one would hope that Google and others building these models aren't including CSAM sites to even have the required material for generating such images. There are so many red herrings in this argument. The technology is interesting and potentially useful. You are basically saying that Reddit is okay with CSAM as long as it is computer generated. But they aren't, and they do handle it when they find it on their site, regardless of how it was created. Technology is not the problem. Behavior is. Should they ban pics taken from all digital cameras since they also can be used to post CSAM and whatever other bugaboo one could add to the list, meanwhile already handled through subreddit moderation? No, of course not. Because the technology isn't the problem. I've already said it: Behavior is. And Reddit already controls for illegal behavior.

by ksaj 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago

There are two trends around NSFW images. (1) If it wasn't for the second there would be a gold rush of firms trying to replicate the success of OnlyFans, that is, there is already a huge business and the possibility of a much larger business. (2) There is also increasing trouble around NSFW images. Consider CSAM. The trouble with CSAM is that CSAM is documentation of child abuse and that's why it has to be prosecuted. On the other hand people don't really get in trouble for child pornography which is hand drawn because the forbidden desire isn't the problem, the original crime is the problem. With AI image generation people can generate unlimited quantities of "child abuse free" CSAM which might reduce the market for real CSAM but will vastly complicate the problem of managing CSAM. I think people will find other reasons to crack down on pornography. As ugly and stupid as traditional pornography is (e.g. consider the 'pigface' scowl that was routine in Penthouse and Hustler and is still common or the many conventions that I think are completely unarousing but seduce people in the perverse manner of 'this is common in pornography so it must be arousing'), I suspect the OnlyFans model is actually more harmful to users. Payment networks are cracking down, for instance the polymorphous perverse site Danbooru got cut off. AI generated porn is just going to lead to more fear of things getting out of hand and swifter and more complete crackdowns.

ksaj 4y ago
I don't see how Reddit banning a technology will cut down on CSAM. Aren't they already doing something about CSAM that appears on their site, real or generated? Besides, one would hope that Google and others building these models aren't including CSAM sites to even have the required material for generating such images. There are so many red herrings in this argument. The technology is interesting and potentially useful. You are basically saying that Reddit is okay with CSAM as long as it is computer generated. But they aren't, and they do handle it when they find it on their site, regardless of how it was created. Technology is not the problem. Behavior is. Should they ban pics taken from all digital cameras since they also can be used to post CSAM and whatever other bugaboo one could add to the list, meanwhile already handled through subreddit moderation? No, of course not. Because the technology isn't the problem. I've already said it: Behavior is. And Reddit already controls for illegal behavior.