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As a visitor the 9 euro ticket was amazing. In combination with Google transit navigation, frequent reliable service and transit stops that displayed accurate t

As a visitor the 9 euro ticket was amazing. In combination with Google transit navigation, frequent reliable service and transit stops that displayed accurate time until the next bus/train, it made getting round the cities almost frictionless. Normally I avoid transit in new cities due to the hassle of figuring it out, paying for tickets etc, but in this case I used it all over Munich and Berlin for 2 months. Too bad it ended today - now need to learn how regular tickets work. One thing I heard was though is that most of the additional transit trips were not replacing car trips but were trips that would not otherwise have been taken at all. Which is not a bad thing in itself, but it would have been nice to displace more car usage.

bombcar 4y ago
It'd be interesting to dig further into the details. There are "car trips" that I don't take that are instead replaced by Walmart or Amazon or someone sending a truck to my house to deliver a package. If there was "free" or "low cost" way to "get into town" perhaps some of those would occur, not replacing a car trip but replacing a delivery.
qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
The regular ticket system is a prehistoric hassle, if you do not rely on DB-Citytickets. They actually still have those forms from 1990 if you want to close a abo in many places, almost none of them have a webshop, its a embarassing nightmare. And very expensive to use without monthly tickets.
- kioleanu 4y ago
  To be fair it’s expensive to use with monthly tickets also. I saw an interesting discussion today on /r/de with people having to ride 1 to 3 stops and having to pay 90 to 120 euros per month. You have to be in a very privileged position to receive affordable tickets. I am lucky to work for a huge employer that offers a JobTicket which costs me 69 euros and they also subsidize half of that. Who doesn’t work at a company that has JobTickets can buy the same for 220 euros per month
  - iggldiggl 4y ago
    > people having to ride 1 to 3 stops and having to pay 90 to 120 euros per month. Stops aren't really a good measure of distances. Three stops by a regular all-shacks city bus? Three stops by rapid transit-type rail? Three stops on a semi-fast regional train? Three stops by long distance-express train? Those different modes of transport all result in massively differing distances as measured in kilometres (and also time).
  - qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
    It really feels like a socialist state run company, were the customer is just a nuissance. They want to deal with companys, large entitys, the transported person is more of a afterthougth.
  - chkal 4y ago
    I'm commuting about 50km to work and pay about 170€ per month. Tickets are quite expensive here.
- morsch 4y ago
  Also expensive to use with monthly tickets. 80 EUR/month just to get around the medium-sized city I live in.

bombcar 4y ago

It'd be interesting to dig further into the details. There are "car trips" that I don't take that are instead replaced by Walmart or Amazon or someone sending a truck to my house to deliver a package. If there was "free" or "low cost" way to "get into town" perhaps some of those would occur, not replacing a car trip but replacing a delivery.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

The regular ticket system is a prehistoric hassle, if you do not rely on DB-Citytickets. They actually still have those forms from 1990 if you want to close a abo in many places, almost none of them have a webshop, its a embarassing nightmare. And very expensive to use without monthly tickets.

kioleanu 4y ago
To be fair it’s expensive to use with monthly tickets also. I saw an interesting discussion today on /r/de with people having to ride 1 to 3 stops and having to pay 90 to 120 euros per month. You have to be in a very privileged position to receive affordable tickets. I am lucky to work for a huge employer that offers a JobTicket which costs me 69 euros and they also subsidize half of that. Who doesn’t work at a company that has JobTickets can buy the same for 220 euros per month
- iggldiggl 4y ago
  > people having to ride 1 to 3 stops and having to pay 90 to 120 euros per month. Stops aren't really a good measure of distances. Three stops by a regular all-shacks city bus? Three stops by rapid transit-type rail? Three stops on a semi-fast regional train? Three stops by long distance-express train? Those different modes of transport all result in massively differing distances as measured in kilometres (and also time).
- qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
  It really feels like a socialist state run company, were the customer is just a nuissance. They want to deal with companys, large entitys, the transported person is more of a afterthougth.
- chkal 4y ago
  I'm commuting about 50km to work and pay about 170€ per month. Tickets are quite expensive here.
morsch 4y ago
Also expensive to use with monthly tickets. 80 EUR/month just to get around the medium-sized city I live in.