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It's impossible to quantify oppressive. We don't know much about Chinese labor camps or re-education centers. Even if we did, how do you measure up acts done i

It's impossible to quantify oppressive. We don't know much about Chinese labor camps or re-education centers. Even if we did, how do you measure up acts done in these places against one another? Is making license plates for pennies in the US better or worse than making t-shirts in Xinjiang? Is being wrongfully thrown in prison due to a prejudice judge seeing your only skin color worse than being thrown into prison for being Muslim who refuses to shave their beard?

trasz 4y ago
I agree it’s hard to quantify, and I agree US prisons aren’t really worse than Chinese ones. Rather, I believe they are roughly the same. Thus, condemning out one without even mentioning the other is simply dishonest. Especially when the condemning side is the competing perpetrator, as is usually the case with anti-Chinese propaganda.
- another_story 4y ago
  How can you say they are the same when we have so little information on the prisons in China?
  - trasz 4y ago
    I’m assuming the claims from anti-Chinese propaganda - Zenz et al - are true. It’s still not worse from what’s happening in US.
    - another_story 4y ago
      Again, wholly subjective. I'd say it's much worse. It's also hard to take anyone seriously who has 50 Cent Army in their profile when it comes to issues on China.
      - trasz 4y ago
        Given that US is imprisoning many more people, for largely commercial (slavery) and racial reasons, how is China worse? I'm genuinely interested in your arguments here.
        another_story 4y ago
        Is the US imprisoning more? I wasn't aware we had accurate numbers on camps in Xinjiang and prisons in China. Let me know when anyone is actually allowed to verify what is happening there, until then comparisons are useless.
ROTMetro 4y ago
As a US prisoner I was worked until my hands bled, regularly forced to do things declared torture by the USA courts. Feel free to complain to the prison guard in charge of the complaints process. You have no access to the courts until you have exhausted the prison complaints process. Complain, and you will be placed in a cell with some unsavory characters, your room will be 'shaken down' every day, including your cellies stuff, and it will be made known the shakedown is due to your bucking the system. Your cellies will make sure you stop complaining and their cell stops getting tore up. The USA system is all for looks, but is impossible to actually get any access to remedy once you are on the inside and no longer in the world. FYI: Things like fast food franchise remodels regularly have American forced labour doing a lot of the CAD/CAM work. If you eat at American franchise restaurants, you support American prisoner slave labour. [edit] here is a pretty government website promoting you to use slave labour: https://www.unicor.gov/Category.aspx?iStore=UNI&idCategory=1691 https://www.unicor.gov/Category.aspx?iStore=UNI&idCategory=1... here is the US Constitution 13th Amendment banning slavery: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

trasz 4y ago

I agree it’s hard to quantify, and I agree US prisons aren’t really worse than Chinese ones. Rather, I believe they are roughly the same. Thus, condemning out one without even mentioning the other is simply dishonest. Especially when the condemning side is the competing perpetrator, as is usually the case with anti-Chinese propaganda.

another_story 4y ago
How can you say they are the same when we have so little information on the prisons in China?
- trasz 4y ago
  I’m assuming the claims from anti-Chinese propaganda - Zenz et al - are true. It’s still not worse from what’s happening in US.
  - another_story 4y ago
    Again, wholly subjective. I'd say it's much worse. It's also hard to take anyone seriously who has 50 Cent Army in their profile when it comes to issues on China.
    - trasz 4y ago
      Given that US is imprisoning many more people, for largely commercial (slavery) and racial reasons, how is China worse? I'm genuinely interested in your arguments here.
      - another_story 4y ago
        Is the US imprisoning more? I wasn't aware we had accurate numbers on camps in Xinjiang and prisons in China. Let me know when anyone is actually allowed to verify what is happening there, until then comparisons are useless.

ROTMetro 4y ago

As a US prisoner I was worked until my hands bled, regularly forced to do things declared torture by the USA courts. Feel free to complain to the prison guard in charge of the complaints process. You have no access to the courts until you have exhausted the prison complaints process. Complain, and you will be placed in a cell with some unsavory characters, your room will be 'shaken down' every day, including your cellies stuff, and it will be made known the shakedown is due to your bucking the system. Your cellies will make sure you stop complaining and their cell stops getting tore up. The USA system is all for looks, but is impossible to actually get any access to remedy once you are on the inside and no longer in the world. FYI: Things like fast food franchise remodels regularly have American forced labour doing a lot of the CAD/CAM work. If you eat at American franchise restaurants, you support American prisoner slave labour. [edit] here is a pretty government website promoting you to use slave labour: https://www.unicor.gov/Category.aspx?iStore=UNI&idCategory=1691 https://www.unicor.gov/Category.aspx?iStore=UNI&idCategory=1... here is the US Constitution 13th Amendment banning slavery: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”