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Good thing that it doesn't. Palestine became a country with thanks to Israel and Oslo Accords for the first time in history.

npc54321 4y ago
Cant they just stop killing each other? I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land" I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews" Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.
- kurupt213 4y ago
  That’s a big ask. How disproportionate do you think the US response would be to people launching rockets into our country? My guess is that we would kill the majority of them. I don’t think it’s fair to ask Israel to sit on their hands while they are attacked.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    If Native Americans being put into reservations against their will, being evicted from their homes, being treated as second class people, were launching rockets at US civilians, the US would retaliate, sure. But both parties would be in the wrong, same as Israel/Palestine.
    - golergka 4y ago
      > being evicted from their homes Just FYI, most of evictions Israel is doing are against jewish settlers, not arabs.
- Adverblessly 4y ago
  > Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Both sides think the land belongs to them as both sides inhabited the same land for hundreds* of years. Which side is doing the grabbing then turns into a judgement call. * - Going by Wikipedia, Muslims Arabs since ~600CE and some form of Israelis since ~1200BCE.
  - kurupt213 4y ago
    Ethnically they’re the same group of Semitic peoples that have lived in Canaanite land since the late Neolithic
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.
      - kurupt213 4y ago
        The best example are the Mizrahi, who never left Palestine. The Israelites go back to the Bronze Age. They are from a couple of Semitic cities in the Canaanite levant. The same group that spawned phonecians and a bunch of other Mediterranean peoples who colonized much of northern africa and Southern Europe in addition to Anatolia
        panick21_ 4y ago
        I certainty don't deny (as some people do) that there were no Jews anymore in Ottoman Palestine.
      - Adverblessly 4y ago
        Then are you saying that if Israel displaces all of the currently present Palestinians and then holds on to the land for 1400-2000 years, they become the rightful owners of that land?
        panick21_ 4y ago
        Yes. If in 4000 a bunch of Palestinians show up that used to live in China and start murdering and oppressing people because of what happened to their ancestors I would be against it. Specially when essentially all of these Palestinians that lived in China had no intention or interest in ever going back to Palestine. And then one day a dude shows up, and says, "Hey one could argue based on some not very historical evidence that X place is our homeland, so lets just go there and steal that land". Just as if a bunch of British people had colonized East Africa with the idea of reconquering their homeland.
ceejayoz 4y ago
Most of the developed world doesn't recognize Palestine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...
- nxmnxm99 4y ago
  If by most of the developed world you mean western colonists, then no shit
panick21_ 4y ago
That's a nice fiction to hold on to. The reality is that the West Bank is cut up into zones, its more like a lot of islands with some limited self governments (that are dominated and corrupted by Israel) with Israel controlling all internal travel and Israel is constantly taking more of the land step by step for 40 years. If its a country, then its boarders are being moved step by step every year. So it not really a country in any sense other then by a few people who want to claim Israel is not an apartheid state.

npc54321 4y ago

Cant they just stop killing each other? I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land" I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews" Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.

kurupt213 4y ago
That’s a big ask. How disproportionate do you think the US response would be to people launching rockets into our country? My guess is that we would kill the majority of them. I don’t think it’s fair to ask Israel to sit on their hands while they are attacked.
- sofixa 4y ago
  If Native Americans being put into reservations against their will, being evicted from their homes, being treated as second class people, were launching rockets at US civilians, the US would retaliate, sure. But both parties would be in the wrong, same as Israel/Palestine.
  - golergka 4y ago
    > being evicted from their homes Just FYI, most of evictions Israel is doing are against jewish settlers, not arabs.
Adverblessly 4y ago
> Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez. Both sides think the land belongs to them as both sides inhabited the same land for hundreds* of years. Which side is doing the grabbing then turns into a judgement call. * - Going by Wikipedia, Muslims Arabs since ~600CE and some form of Israelis since ~1200BCE.
- kurupt213 4y ago
  Ethnically they’re the same group of Semitic peoples that have lived in Canaanite land since the late Neolithic
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.
    - kurupt213 4y ago
      The best example are the Mizrahi, who never left Palestine. The Israelites go back to the Bronze Age. They are from a couple of Semitic cities in the Canaanite levant. The same group that spawned phonecians and a bunch of other Mediterranean peoples who colonized much of northern africa and Southern Europe in addition to Anatolia
      - panick21_ 4y ago
        I certainty don't deny (as some people do) that there were no Jews anymore in Ottoman Palestine.
    - Adverblessly 4y ago
      Then are you saying that if Israel displaces all of the currently present Palestinians and then holds on to the land for 1400-2000 years, they become the rightful owners of that land?
      - panick21_ 4y ago
        Yes. If in 4000 a bunch of Palestinians show up that used to live in China and start murdering and oppressing people because of what happened to their ancestors I would be against it. Specially when essentially all of these Palestinians that lived in China had no intention or interest in ever going back to Palestine. And then one day a dude shows up, and says, "Hey one could argue based on some not very historical evidence that X place is our homeland, so lets just go there and steal that land". Just as if a bunch of British people had colonized East Africa with the idea of reconquering their homeland.

ceejayoz 4y ago

Most of the developed world doesn't recognize Palestine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...

nxmnxm99 4y ago
If by most of the developed world you mean western colonists, then no shit

panick21_ 4y ago

That's a nice fiction to hold on to. The reality is that the West Bank is cut up into zones, its more like a lot of islands with some limited self governments (that are dominated and corrupted by Israel) with Israel controlling all internal travel and Israel is constantly taking more of the land step by step for 40 years. If its a country, then its boarders are being moved step by step every year. So it not really a country in any sense other then by a few people who want to claim Israel is not an apartheid state.