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quite. it is very frustrating seeing _every single thread_ about israel turn into hateful rhetoric, spreading lies and propaganda, using buzzwords they heard so

quite. it is very frustrating seeing _every single thread_ about israel turn into hateful rhetoric, spreading lies and propaganda, using buzzwords they heard somewhere, and generally not understanding history at all. but threads about china/KSA/UAE/etc. are free of this. this isn't whataboutism, its important to care about humans rights issues in multiple countries, but its just weird how hate-fueled people get about israel. That is the one thing I dont get. I keep seeing people say that people cannot criticize israel, but that is _all_ I see in the media and in online forums. _every single pro-israel point_ here is downvoted. it isn't antisemetic to criticize israel but yikes do people really get passionate about their hatred for it specifically, more so than any other country. antisemitism isn't antizionism but people really do end up parroting the exact same talking points as antisemitism. it really concerns me about HN honestly. at a point people really need to look within themselves and ask are they actually antisemitic?

LtWorf 4y ago
That's because you are free to criticise China or Iran, but get accused of being a nazi for pointing out Israel does similar things. That makes people more angry.
dirtyid 4y ago
> cannot criticize israel IMO large part of distaste for Israel is reflection of how criticizing Israel doesn't do shit due to how entrenched and influential Israel Lobby is in US politics and centrality of Israel is to US foreign policy in MENA. Let's be real, Israel isn't going to get substantively sanctioned by US + LIO co for any of the henious shit they do. There's plenty of hate boners for PRC/KSA as well, but also tangible policy/diplomatic actions against these "bad actors" while Israel get's off with relatively light slaps. The long running hypocrisy and impunity is a bad look and triggers broad groups, most of whom IMO are simply anti-Israli influence because it's a reflection on how realist and interest driven US foreign policy actually is. Optically, frequently it looks like US can't keep Israel on a short leash, and sometimes the dog is walking the owner, this pisses off from antisemites who simply hates Jews to murica exceptionalists who thinks Israel is functionally a vassal and everyone in between. TBH pro Israel propaganda is doing pretty well all things considered. Evoking antisemitism seems to work out better than sinophobia or islamaphobia at least in MSM.

LtWorf 4y ago

That's because you are free to criticise China or Iran, but get accused of being a nazi for pointing out Israel does similar things. That makes people more angry.

dirtyid 4y ago

> cannot criticize israel IMO large part of distaste for Israel is reflection of how criticizing Israel doesn't do shit due to how entrenched and influential Israel Lobby is in US politics and centrality of Israel is to US foreign policy in MENA. Let's be real, Israel isn't going to get substantively sanctioned by US + LIO co for any of the henious shit they do. There's plenty of hate boners for PRC/KSA as well, but also tangible policy/diplomatic actions against these "bad actors" while Israel get's off with relatively light slaps. The long running hypocrisy and impunity is a bad look and triggers broad groups, most of whom IMO are simply anti-Israli influence because it's a reflection on how realist and interest driven US foreign policy actually is. Optically, frequently it looks like US can't keep Israel on a short leash, and sometimes the dog is walking the owner, this pisses off from antisemites who simply hates Jews to murica exceptionalists who thinks Israel is functionally a vassal and everyone in between. TBH pro Israel propaganda is doing pretty well all things considered. Evoking antisemitism seems to work out better than sinophobia or islamaphobia at least in MSM.