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Mostly agree with you. I used to be as pro-Israel as it gets but after my visits to that area I think the burden you mr average Joe Palestinian has to bear to f
by mercy_dude 4y ago
Mostly agree with you. I used to be as pro-Israel as it gets but after my visits to that area I think the burden you mr average Joe Palestinian has to bear to for example just to do normal things such as going to work or driving to see the family or take a flight that we all take for granted, is too excessive. A Palestinian depending on where he works could have somewhere between 3-5hrs commute depending on the number of checkpoints they have to cross. Now checkpoints are realities for even Israelis too but you noticeably see the difference between checkpoints on the other side and on the Palestinian side - if you have a name that even remotely sounds Arabic, even if you have an American passport you get treated harshly. Your average Joe Palestinian just gets treated like trash. Now you might say checkpoints are necessary to keep this and that safe but the reality is hundreds of thousands of people if not more are left hostages for the fault of a few bad apples who genuinely pose the threat of terrorism. Most of the average Palestinian people are good hearted people who would want to do nothing but live their lives but I can see getting treated like trash for years and going through so much hassle just to do normal things like going to work can turn them to radicalism someday. It’s a great strategy to perpetrate generational hate from society in the name of “keeping everyone safe and prevent terrorism” - and it’s visible, younger generations are significantly more radical than older ones.
Now the Palestinian leadership is absolute trash as well as they offer no real service to their people and are busy with endless corruption. And it’s visible everywhere- even areas they fully control. The other thing is there are areas in Palestinian controlled zones (C) where you can’t even go if you look white as you genuinely risk your lives. The other way around is not generally true, even though you may have to go through checkpoints.
At this point I don’t think there is any solution to this crisis unfortunately.
- wahnfrieden 4y agoAre you saying the decayed Palestinian leadership justifies their peoples abuse?
- case0x00 4y agothe palestinian leadership enables the abuse. they actually like it, since it means they can garner more international support to siphon aid for themselves. they do little to help the people and instead opt to act as proxies for Iran to conduct terrorist attacks against israeli civilians. if the palestinian people want freedom, they need new leadership since what they operate under is clearly not even close to a democracy.
- wahnfrieden 4y agoAre you saying the decayed Palestinian leadership justifies their peoples abuse by Israel?
- elzbardico 4y agoI wouldn't call abuse the legitimate fight against an oppressor.
- wahnfrieden 4y agoto be clear I meant the abuse of palestinian ppl by israel
- mercy_dude 4y agoIt doesn’t justify but it prolongs it. The so called “resistance” everyone here is encouraged to form and sympathize with, at some point you realize why do I as someone sitting far away have to care so much more when their own leadership and some of their own people in upper echelons are willingly happy to let everything rot including things within their full control? Suffering is not justified but you can easily throw the argument that Palestinians will be living under the similar rot even if they had one state. I am not making it but at least that’s a plausible argument from the other side and it has a decent chance of happening if someday they gain a country of own.
- wahnfrieden 4y agotheir future well-being is of no concern to the apartheid mission so it's pretty out there to talk as if any aims are designed toward their welfare
- zidad 4y ago> Palestinian controlled zones (C) where you can’t even go if you look white as you genuinely risk your lives. As a blonde guy that spend a lot of time living in area C, going to restaurants, cultural events and even getting salsa lessons, I can't relate to that remark at all. Have you tried it? In fact AFAIK the PA police has barely any jurisdiction over non-palestinians, they are only allowed to arrest them and wait for Israeli authorities to pick them up. I've never felt threatened there except for when the Israeli forces or settlers invaded.