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> If that isn’t “real hacker” enough for you then that’s fine. "Means to an end", "make a living", "rat race", yeah I don't think that would be considered "hac

> If that isn’t “real hacker” enough for you then that’s fine. "Means to an end", "make a living", "rat race", yeah I don't think that would be considered "hacker" by any definition of the word (I think the word is "corporate"), and this site is called "Hacker News". You don't have to be excited and bullish about every single new trend, but at least be interested enough to take a closer look. I was interested in crypto a few years ago, now I don't care much about it. Still excited about VR and AI though. I mean, it's a free country, but if this pessimism is the default attitude here on anything, I think it's time to find where all the actual hackers are hanging out.

coldtea 4y ago
>if this pessimism is the default attitude here on anything Ah, if only that was the case... One can dream, however... Mind you, when real hackers walked the earth (MIT, AT&T, Xerox, and so on), they weren't that hot about hypes either, and they couldn't be further from today's marketing types. Those were hackers: programmers, scientists, enthusiasts, and so on. Not today's used-car-salemen types touting AI, big data, VR, and the rest...
- martindbp 4y ago
  > they weren't that hot about hypes either Are you really trying to convince me that the original hackers were tech-conservatives? They literally set the trends and built the future. Who are these marketing types you talk of? I don't dispute there is a lot of fluff and hype going around, but you chose yourself who you listen to. I follow true hackers like John Carmack, Jeri Ellsworth, Andrej Karpathy, George Hotz and prominent scientists like Yann LeCun. If all you find is hype and marketing that's on you. It's like people complaining that Twitter is bad, you decide who to follow!
mattgreenrocks 4y ago
I'm sorry that you feel you haven't found your tribe. I get it and feel/felt similarly at times. > I don't think that would be considered "hacker" by any definition of the word (I think the word is "corporate") Tempered passion != corporate. > You don't have to be excited and bullish about every single new trend, but at least be interested enough to take a closer look No, I don't owe trends anything. It's easy to trend, and much harder to deliver value over time. I wait for the wheat to separate from the chaff before investing time. This is not pessimism, this is triage of emotions and attention. It isn't a belief that what we have is best, but rather a preference to be doing the work as much as possible. Time, unfortunately, is zero sum. I have stopped chasing relevance, and in doing so, found contentment and focus. I'll reiterate: the self-work I do is my current manifestation of the hacker ethos. I am excited by PL stuff: Rust, Haskell, compilers, LLVM, etc. I write Rust and Haskell at work, so I scratch a lot of that itch on the job. It took a long time to get to that point. I still have too many tabs open on my computers about cool PL stuff like the u-combinator, GC implementations, cache friendliness, and other low-level esoterica. Yet, life is much better when tech is a part of it, not the centerpiece of identity. Perhaps that is the main difference that is surfacing here.

coldtea 4y ago

>if this pessimism is the default attitude here on anything Ah, if only that was the case... One can dream, however... Mind you, when real hackers walked the earth (MIT, AT&T, Xerox, and so on), they weren't that hot about hypes either, and they couldn't be further from today's marketing types. Those were hackers: programmers, scientists, enthusiasts, and so on. Not today's used-car-salemen types touting AI, big data, VR, and the rest...

martindbp 4y ago
> they weren't that hot about hypes either Are you really trying to convince me that the original hackers were tech-conservatives? They literally set the trends and built the future. Who are these marketing types you talk of? I don't dispute there is a lot of fluff and hype going around, but you chose yourself who you listen to. I follow true hackers like John Carmack, Jeri Ellsworth, Andrej Karpathy, George Hotz and prominent scientists like Yann LeCun. If all you find is hype and marketing that's on you. It's like people complaining that Twitter is bad, you decide who to follow!

mattgreenrocks 4y ago

I'm sorry that you feel you haven't found your tribe. I get it and feel/felt similarly at times. > I don't think that would be considered "hacker" by any definition of the word (I think the word is "corporate") Tempered passion != corporate. > You don't have to be excited and bullish about every single new trend, but at least be interested enough to take a closer look No, I don't owe trends anything. It's easy to trend, and much harder to deliver value over time. I wait for the wheat to separate from the chaff before investing time. This is not pessimism, this is triage of emotions and attention. It isn't a belief that what we have is best, but rather a preference to be doing the work as much as possible. Time, unfortunately, is zero sum. I have stopped chasing relevance, and in doing so, found contentment and focus. I'll reiterate: the self-work I do is my current manifestation of the hacker ethos. I am excited by PL stuff: Rust, Haskell, compilers, LLVM, etc. I write Rust and Haskell at work, so I scratch a lot of that itch on the job. It took a long time to get to that point. I still have too many tabs open on my computers about cool PL stuff like the u-combinator, GC implementations, cache friendliness, and other low-level esoterica. Yet, life is much better when tech is a part of it, not the centerpiece of identity. Perhaps that is the main difference that is surfacing here.