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1. young muslims are way less inclined to get nude in public: more young muslims, less young nudists 2. locals felt safer before because they were nude among p
by aulin 4y ago
1. young muslims are way less inclined to get nude in public: more young muslims, less young nudists
2. locals felt safer before because they were nude among people with the same culture towards nudity, now they don't anymore because there's a bigger chance to be sexualized by people from different cultures
- usrusr 4y ago3. in a culturally diverse group, who would suggest something like a spontaneous nude dip? Nobody, to avoid embarrassing someone, just in case, even if in fact every9ne involved would be perfectly up to it. Things like that are far more likely to happen in a group where everybody comes from the same village.
- EdwardDiego 4y agoIn a group of any kind, why do you presume that "nudity at the beach is awesome" would be a value held by 100% of group members? Drawing a really long bow there tbh.
- usrusr 4y agoIn a homogenous group discovering who is and who isn't could easily pass as a playful endeavor, whereas in a diverse group it's more likely to be seen as a shocking insensitivity. Not just by those affected (who might very well be perfectly absent) but also by those who think someone might be affected.
- InCityDreams 4y ago"Let's all go and get naked, Let's all go and get naked, Let's all go and get naked.... And lie in a great big pile" Fat Freddy, i believe.
- gernb 4y agoEasy, go to Finland where the Fins expect to get nude with everyone in mix sex groups. So, imagine 10 fins. Someones says "let's sauna!" and likely all 10 will be like "yea!". Now replace 5 of them with 5 muslims (or other group who find public nudity offensive). Now propose the same activity "let's sauna!" You've just made 5 people uncomfortable as they now have to decline your invitation.
- Chris2048 4y agoWhy wouldn't young Finns with similar values stick together in social groups?
- rglullis 4y agoBecause that is not something so important and polarizing to the point of creating tribes?
- Chris2048 4y agoIt doesn't need to be polarising, people don't form social groups with everyone they meet, mere common interests can cause people to gravitate to each other.
- rglullis 4y agoYou are talking about young people in a real-world scenario involving physical interactions, not some internet forum or any other social setting where groups self-select. I doubt that people will be basing their relationships based on such a secondary aspect of their cultural values. Where they live, their close family, where they go to school, what type of activities they do after school and what type of activities and relationships their parents have... all of that is a lot more relevant to determine their social circle than "strong affinity around the interest for skinny dipping"
- Chris2048 4y ago
- EdwardDiego 4y ago~8% of France identifies as Muslim, you're attributing a shit ton of influence to people who we know tend to be ghettoised in France.
- aulin 4y agoI don't really believe that's the whole reason of nudity decline. I was just arguing against quickly jumping to judge this point as racist or bigot while it has some perfectly reasonable merits. As others have said if you are in a culturally diverse group even a little minority can drive everyone to be more careful about everyone's sensitivities.