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Back in university, we sometimes organized nude swimming events for students. We had a private lake, so nobody from the general public was bothered. Sometimes,

Back in university, we sometimes organized nude swimming events for students. We had a private lake, so nobody from the general public was bothered. Sometimes, old couples would walk by, giggle, and then go their ways. But then video cameras became cheap and easy enough to use. So eventually, a creepy old man showed up and started filming our swimming event without anyone's consent. As part of the organization team, it was my duty to confront him and ask for him to wipe the tapes. His wife had died, he was lonely and horny and just wanted to capture his lucky sight for himself. So we succeeded after a long discussion and he let me wipe the tape. But the damage was done. Afterwards, everyone was afraid of being filmed without consent again. We never got enough sign-ups for another event after that.

hackernewds 4y ago
We = were you head of the fraternity? Affiliated with the university?
- fxtentacle 4y ago
  Nope. I was just a regular student. But I was part of a group of friends who thought this would be fun so we just privately organized beach parties. Except we didn't have a real beach.
daenz 4y ago
>But the damage was done. Afterwards, everyone was afraid of being filmed without consent again. Devil's advocate, but isn't the point of being nude in public that you are destigmatizing it? I know you mentioned this was a "private lake" but it is unclear of if you mean legally private or de facto private. In case of the latter, even creepers have a right to be there and film. I used to visit a nude beach and there was always some clothed weirdo with their phone out. They would get unfriendly looks by everyone though, and I think the ostracization kept them on the outskirts of the community.
- aqme28 4y ago
  That’s not the point of being nude in public. For some people sure. Others like the freedom of it. In either case, most just want an ephemeral experience, and don’t want permanent recordings.
  - daenz 4y ago
    You can enjoy the freedom of being nude on your own private property then. No need to add "in public" unless you are trying to a) destigmatize or b) be an exhibitionist
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - aqme28 4y ago
      No. I like to be nude swimming at the lake, but I don’t have a lake on my property. There’s a whole culture of this in Eastern Germany, where I currently live.
      - daenz 4y ago
        Your choice to swim nude in a public lake outweighing the choice to be more prudish is destigmatizing.
        aqme28 4y ago
        Of course, but that’s not why I’m swimming nude.
        daenz 4y ago
        Sorry but I just don't buy it. There's no functional difference between swimming in undergarments or swimming nude, so if you choose nude, it's because you don't think it should be stigmatized. If you think it feels so much nicer, consider that it's because it's a mild rebellion against a social norm.
_trampeltier 4y ago
Guys with cellphones are really a pain in nude beaches. I just go to nude beaches for swimming, tanning etc. But there are allways just some whatever rude word guys who act like "just do something on my cellphone" but it is very clear, they make a video.
- herbst 4y ago
  One of my favourite places in Austria did close recently after they simply did not find a way to control all the bush wankers around the area. It hasn't always been like that, but in the last years you could hear people wanking and running around the bushes constantly. Creepy as fuck.
  - b800h 4y ago
    What's changed to increase the numbers of them?
    - herbst 4y ago
      I really have no idea
    - jokethrowaway 4y ago
      Disruption of gender roles and de-stigmatising hookup culture. Nowadays average girls sleep with the top x% guys from tinder instead of finding local average peers. They also out-earn their male peers and just a small percentage is willing to date down and settle with a guy earning less then them. This brought kids to find refuge in videogames or the internet in general and be overall very lonely. The media outrage towards typically male traits (think toxic masculinity) and a unmeritocratic culture (think everybody gets a prize, "positive" discrimination for "minorities" in college admissions and in the work force) is also incredibly damaging to guys who struggle more then ever to be successful. The rise of porn, onlyfans and twitch (as it provides companionship) are clear symptoms that each passing generation is more and more lonely. Loneliness will eventually breed creeps, incels, school shooters or people who are easily radicalised by terrorist organisations.
onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
On the flip side, in the near future - I can imagine a world where everyone's nudes are floating around, and people just don't care anymore. In 10-20 years, I imagine the majority of people running for office are gonna have their nudes leaked.
- Enginerrrd 4y ago
  Not only that, but faking someone's nudes will become so easy that future leaks may lack any credibility and people REALLY won't care.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    Why do people think this? We have ample evidence that prudes and judgy people have no issue freaking out about fake scandals TODAY. Judging other people based on crazy rules you put on yourself is a human nature thing. There's no reason to believe there will be fewer prudes in the future to shame you for totally normal things. Remember, there are people today who genuinely think rape victims got what they deserve for being sluts. I don't know how you can look at that situation and think "surely those same horrible people won't use this as an excuse to otherise someone". There are people within my own country who say "it was a mistake for the supreme court to allow gay people to marry" and the politicians who say such things are broadly popular. Where is this magical world where people aren't busibodies?
    - Enginerrrd 4y ago
      >Why do people think this? Because it's already happening. Things that were career ending scandals for politicians two decades ago are only a couple of days worth of news now.
      - mrguyorama 4y ago
        That has more to do with rabid fan bases than lessening social stigma. Trump may be immune to stigma, but that doesn't mean most people are. Al Frankin still got kicked to the curb for groping a co-worker.
nikolay 4y ago
What's wrong with wearing a swimsuit?!

hackernewds 4y ago

We = were you head of the fraternity? Affiliated with the university?

fxtentacle 4y ago
Nope. I was just a regular student. But I was part of a group of friends who thought this would be fun so we just privately organized beach parties. Except we didn't have a real beach.

daenz 4y ago

>But the damage was done. Afterwards, everyone was afraid of being filmed without consent again. Devil's advocate, but isn't the point of being nude in public that you are destigmatizing it? I know you mentioned this was a "private lake" but it is unclear of if you mean legally private or de facto private. In case of the latter, even creepers have a right to be there and film. I used to visit a nude beach and there was always some clothed weirdo with their phone out. They would get unfriendly looks by everyone though, and I think the ostracization kept them on the outskirts of the community.

aqme28 4y ago
That’s not the point of being nude in public. For some people sure. Others like the freedom of it. In either case, most just want an ephemeral experience, and don’t want permanent recordings.
- daenz 4y ago
  You can enjoy the freedom of being nude on your own private property then. No need to add "in public" unless you are trying to a) destigmatize or b) be an exhibitionist
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - aqme28 4y ago
    No. I like to be nude swimming at the lake, but I don’t have a lake on my property. There’s a whole culture of this in Eastern Germany, where I currently live.
    - daenz 4y ago
      Your choice to swim nude in a public lake outweighing the choice to be more prudish is destigmatizing.
      - aqme28 4y ago
        Of course, but that’s not why I’m swimming nude.
        daenz 4y ago
        Sorry but I just don't buy it. There's no functional difference between swimming in undergarments or swimming nude, so if you choose nude, it's because you don't think it should be stigmatized. If you think it feels so much nicer, consider that it's because it's a mild rebellion against a social norm.

_trampeltier 4y ago

Guys with cellphones are really a pain in nude beaches. I just go to nude beaches for swimming, tanning etc. But there are allways just some whatever rude word guys who act like "just do something on my cellphone" but it is very clear, they make a video.

herbst 4y ago
One of my favourite places in Austria did close recently after they simply did not find a way to control all the bush wankers around the area. It hasn't always been like that, but in the last years you could hear people wanking and running around the bushes constantly. Creepy as fuck.
- b800h 4y ago
  What's changed to increase the numbers of them?
  - herbst 4y ago
    I really have no idea
  - jokethrowaway 4y ago
    Disruption of gender roles and de-stigmatising hookup culture. Nowadays average girls sleep with the top x% guys from tinder instead of finding local average peers. They also out-earn their male peers and just a small percentage is willing to date down and settle with a guy earning less then them. This brought kids to find refuge in videogames or the internet in general and be overall very lonely. The media outrage towards typically male traits (think toxic masculinity) and a unmeritocratic culture (think everybody gets a prize, "positive" discrimination for "minorities" in college admissions and in the work force) is also incredibly damaging to guys who struggle more then ever to be successful. The rise of porn, onlyfans and twitch (as it provides companionship) are clear symptoms that each passing generation is more and more lonely. Loneliness will eventually breed creeps, incels, school shooters or people who are easily radicalised by terrorist organisations.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

On the flip side, in the near future - I can imagine a world where everyone's nudes are floating around, and people just don't care anymore. In 10-20 years, I imagine the majority of people running for office are gonna have their nudes leaked.

Enginerrrd 4y ago
Not only that, but faking someone's nudes will become so easy that future leaks may lack any credibility and people REALLY won't care.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Why do people think this? We have ample evidence that prudes and judgy people have no issue freaking out about fake scandals TODAY. Judging other people based on crazy rules you put on yourself is a human nature thing. There's no reason to believe there will be fewer prudes in the future to shame you for totally normal things. Remember, there are people today who genuinely think rape victims got what they deserve for being sluts. I don't know how you can look at that situation and think "surely those same horrible people won't use this as an excuse to otherise someone". There are people within my own country who say "it was a mistake for the supreme court to allow gay people to marry" and the politicians who say such things are broadly popular. Where is this magical world where people aren't busibodies?
  - Enginerrrd 4y ago
    >Why do people think this? Because it's already happening. Things that were career ending scandals for politicians two decades ago are only a couple of days worth of news now.
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      That has more to do with rabid fan bases than lessening social stigma. Trump may be immune to stigma, but that doesn't mean most people are. Al Frankin still got kicked to the curb for groping a co-worker.

nikolay 4y ago

What's wrong with wearing a swimsuit?!