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That doesn’t change anything. What a bigoted reach of a comment.

aulin 4y ago
a big influx of people from countries and cultures way less open towards nudity and sexuality doesn't change anything? It would be the same if immigration came from the puritan regions of US.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  What mechanism do you propose? Muslims arrived, then X, therefore less nudism. What's X?
  - aulin 4y ago
    1. young muslims are way less inclined to get nude in public: more young muslims, less young nudists 2. locals felt safer before because they were nude among people with the same culture towards nudity, now they don't anymore because there's a bigger chance to be sexualized by people from different cultures
    - usrusr 4y ago
      3. in a culturally diverse group, who would suggest something like a spontaneous nude dip? Nobody, to avoid embarrassing someone, just in case, even if in fact every9ne involved would be perfectly up to it. Things like that are far more likely to happen in a group where everybody comes from the same village.
      - EdwardDiego 4y ago
        In a group of any kind, why do you presume that "nudity at the beach is awesome" would be a value held by 100% of group members? Drawing a really long bow there tbh.
        usrusr 4y ago
        In a homogenous group discovering who is and who isn't could easily pass as a playful endeavor, whereas in a diverse group it's more likely to be seen as a shocking insensitivity. Not just by those affected (who might very well be perfectly absent) but also by those who think someone might be affected.
        InCityDreams 4y ago
        "Let's all go and get naked, Let's all go and get naked, Let's all go and get naked.... And lie in a great big pile" Fat Freddy, i believe.
        gernb 4y ago
        Easy, go to Finland where the Fins expect to get nude with everyone in mix sex groups. So, imagine 10 fins. Someones says "let's sauna!" and likely all 10 will be like "yea!". Now replace 5 of them with 5 muslims (or other group who find public nudity offensive). Now propose the same activity "let's sauna!" You've just made 5 people uncomfortable as they now have to decline your invitation.
        Chris2048 4y ago
        Why wouldn't young Finns with similar values stick together in social groups?
        rglullis 4y ago
        Because that is not something so important and polarizing to the point of creating tribes?
        Chris2048 4y ago
        It doesn't need to be polarising, people don't form social groups with everyone they meet, mere common interests can cause people to gravitate to each other.
    - EdwardDiego 4y ago
      ~8% of France identifies as Muslim, you're attributing a shit ton of influence to people who we know tend to be ghettoised in France.
      - aulin 4y ago
        I don't really believe that's the whole reason of nudity decline. I was just arguing against quickly jumping to judge this point as racist or bigot while it has some perfectly reasonable merits. As others have said if you are in a culturally diverse group even a little minority can drive everyone to be more careful about everyone's sensitivities.
  - midasuni 4y ago
    Import of American puritanical culture stemming back to the mayflower and spreading via the internet?
rglullis 4y ago
Doesn't change anything, really? You have a slice of your younger population comprised of people that heavily values modesty and simply do not accept public nudity. Even if you yourself are not muslim, some of your friends will be. It is just a statement of logical facts. You are seeing bigotry where none was implied.
- hackernewds 4y ago
  Your comment heavily implies said demographic implements or even enforce their belief on to their destination country. In reality, it is quite the opposite - and most often in drastic and involuntary terms. It is telling that you chose to concentrate on the Islamic population
  - arblor 4y ago
    They talk about muslim people being so influential but choose to forget the cultural imperialism and unnatural prudishness of the US of A. There's a documentary on Netflix, "Sex and Love around the world", the "Berlin" episode was mostly around how weird are Germans for going nude.
  - tremon 4y ago
    No, it is not implying that at all. They only need to keep their beliefs to affect the number of people going to nude beaches.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    Are you familiar with the concept of "intolerant minority"? [0] much like you don't a majority of people to force most processed juice to be kosher, you don't need a majority of people to change (relatively low-stake) cultural practices of the host country. [0]: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
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a big influx of people from countries and cultures way less open towards nudity and sexuality doesn't change anything? It would be the same if immigration came from the puritan regions of US.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
What mechanism do you propose? Muslims arrived, then X, therefore less nudism. What's X?
- aulin 4y ago
  1. young muslims are way less inclined to get nude in public: more young muslims, less young nudists 2. locals felt safer before because they were nude among people with the same culture towards nudity, now they don't anymore because there's a bigger chance to be sexualized by people from different cultures
  - usrusr 4y ago
    3. in a culturally diverse group, who would suggest something like a spontaneous nude dip? Nobody, to avoid embarrassing someone, just in case, even if in fact every9ne involved would be perfectly up to it. Things like that are far more likely to happen in a group where everybody comes from the same village.
    - EdwardDiego 4y ago
      In a group of any kind, why do you presume that "nudity at the beach is awesome" would be a value held by 100% of group members? Drawing a really long bow there tbh.
      - usrusr 4y ago
        In a homogenous group discovering who is and who isn't could easily pass as a playful endeavor, whereas in a diverse group it's more likely to be seen as a shocking insensitivity. Not just by those affected (who might very well be perfectly absent) but also by those who think someone might be affected.
        InCityDreams 4y ago
        "Let's all go and get naked, Let's all go and get naked, Let's all go and get naked.... And lie in a great big pile" Fat Freddy, i believe.
      - gernb 4y ago
        Easy, go to Finland where the Fins expect to get nude with everyone in mix sex groups. So, imagine 10 fins. Someones says "let's sauna!" and likely all 10 will be like "yea!". Now replace 5 of them with 5 muslims (or other group who find public nudity offensive). Now propose the same activity "let's sauna!" You've just made 5 people uncomfortable as they now have to decline your invitation.
        Chris2048 4y ago
        Why wouldn't young Finns with similar values stick together in social groups?
        rglullis 4y ago
        Because that is not something so important and polarizing to the point of creating tribes?
        Chris2048 4y ago
        It doesn't need to be polarising, people don't form social groups with everyone they meet, mere common interests can cause people to gravitate to each other.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    ~8% of France identifies as Muslim, you're attributing a shit ton of influence to people who we know tend to be ghettoised in France.
    - aulin 4y ago
      I don't really believe that's the whole reason of nudity decline. I was just arguing against quickly jumping to judge this point as racist or bigot while it has some perfectly reasonable merits. As others have said if you are in a culturally diverse group even a little minority can drive everyone to be more careful about everyone's sensitivities.
- midasuni 4y ago
  Import of American puritanical culture stemming back to the mayflower and spreading via the internet?

rglullis 4y ago

Doesn't change anything, really? You have a slice of your younger population comprised of people that heavily values modesty and simply do not accept public nudity. Even if you yourself are not muslim, some of your friends will be. It is just a statement of logical facts. You are seeing bigotry where none was implied.

hackernewds 4y ago
Your comment heavily implies said demographic implements or even enforce their belief on to their destination country. In reality, it is quite the opposite - and most often in drastic and involuntary terms. It is telling that you chose to concentrate on the Islamic population
- arblor 4y ago
  They talk about muslim people being so influential but choose to forget the cultural imperialism and unnatural prudishness of the US of A. There's a documentary on Netflix, "Sex and Love around the world", the "Berlin" episode was mostly around how weird are Germans for going nude.
- tremon 4y ago
  No, it is not implying that at all. They only need to keep their beliefs to affect the number of people going to nude beaches.
- rglullis 4y ago
  Are you familiar with the concept of "intolerant minority"? [0] much like you don't a majority of people to force most processed juice to be kosher, you don't need a majority of people to change (relatively low-stake) cultural practices of the host country. [0]: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

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