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What proof do you have that it's lifestyle? My opinion is loosely based on http://achemicalhunger.com/ http://achemicalhunger.com/, specifically the papers that

by strken 4y ago

What proof do you have that it's lifestyle? My opinion is loosely based on http://achemicalhunger.com/ http://achemicalhunger.com/, specifically the papers that found wild animals are getting fat, and the timing. The things you say are all true, but they were also true to a lesser extent in the 60s, when Americans were much less obese than they are now. They're also not true for wild animals.

MagnumOpus 4y ago
> What proof do you have that it's lifestyle International comparison. Countries with just as bad chemical/microplastic/PFAS contamination, be it France or China or Japan have far fewer obese people. Coincidentally they also have less car-centric lifestyles.
acdha 4y ago
> The things you say are all true, but they were also true to a lesser extent in the 60s, when Americans were much less obese than they are now. You're talking about movements over time — it's not like everyone moved out to the suburbs in 1955, and in the 1960s you still had a lot of people living in more urban walkable environments (the riots in the 60s and crime in the 70s really ramped up suburban flight). American leaders were already talking about an obesity crisis by the 1960s (the flawed dietary guidelines in the 1970s were a “we don't have time to wait!” response to decades of that trend) but it just kept getting worse over time, which seems to track with an increasingly car-dominant lifecycle. That site doesn't have a good reputation and I would especially be careful about drawing conclusions from a single study of one type of animal. There's an especially big confound that many “wild” animals have still had significant habitat disruption from humans and it's not clear whether those macaques have access to human food, crops, etc. which would not otherwise have been the case.

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What proof do you have that it's lifestyle? My opinion is loosely based on http://achemicalhunger.com/ http://achemicalhunger.com/, specifically the papers that

by strken 4y ago

MagnumOpus 4y ago
> What proof do you have that it's lifestyle International comparison. Countries with just as bad chemical/microplastic/PFAS contamination, be it France or China or Japan have far fewer obese people. Coincidentally they also have less car-centric lifestyles.
acdha 4y ago
> The things you say are all true, but they were also true to a lesser extent in the 60s, when Americans were much less obese than they are now. You're talking about movements over time — it's not like everyone moved out to the suburbs in 1955, and in the 1960s you still had a lot of people living in more urban walkable environments (the riots in the 60s and crime in the 70s really ramped up suburban flight). American leaders were already talking about an obesity crisis by the 1960s (the flawed dietary guidelines in the 1970s were a “we don't have time to wait!” response to decades of that trend) but it just kept getting worse over time, which seems to track with an increasingly car-dominant lifecycle. That site doesn't have a good reputation and I would especially be careful about drawing conclusions from a single study of one type of animal. There's an especially big confound that many “wild” animals have still had significant habitat disruption from humans and it's not clear whether those macaques have access to human food, crops, etc. which would not otherwise have been the case.