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And your IP was never on a blocklist before it was allocated to you. And your domain name doesn’t get blocked for being too algorithmic looking according to the

And your IP was never on a blocklist before it was allocated to you. And your domain name doesn’t get blocked for being too algorithmic looking according to the spam ML model. And your domain is old enough not to get greylisted. And not too many of your users get reported as spam. And your domain isn’t in .ru or .cn. And your netblock isn’t accidentally put into those regions in maxmind.

nix23 4y ago
>IP was never on a blocklist before Reallocate new IP >domain name doesn’t get blocked for being too algorithmic looking according to the spam ML model Check your domain on your own SpamD/Spamassasin but i never had that problem. >And your domain is old enough not to get greylisted Everything is greylisted at first contact, email servers don't know how "old" a domain is. >And not too many of your users get reported as spam. Yes you can be a spam-bot too, that's why you check your outgoing emails for spam too and limit the recipients and mail frequency outside your domain. >And your domain isn’t in .ru or .cn That's another problem, i talk about technical stuff and not political ones, if your recipient don't want Chinese mails than this is your (or his) (non-)problem, that's a human problem. >And your netblock isn’t accidentally put into those regions in maxmind. Change your VPS-Provider, they are plain incapable -> https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request
- themoonisachees 4y ago
  Adding to that, if tour IP was on a blocklist before, you van request an unblock at spamhaus. Might take a few days but they generally comply.
- pjc50 4y ago
  I'm reminded of the "cryptocurrency is easy to secure if you just follow these fifty three steps with no errors" advocacy. (I used to run my own email and gave up years ago, it's too much hassle to do part time)
  - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
    > I used to run my own email and gave up years ago, it's too much hassle to do part time Wouldn't this disqualify your experience when compared to the people who still do it?
    - pjc50 4y ago
      How? It means I have a reasonable idea of the complexity involved. Sure, "too much" is a subjective term, but .. look around, there really aren't all that many people doing it any more, just like everyone bemoans the movement of blogs to social media. I still have the domain, because it's also too much hassle to change an email address which you've used in a lot of places, it's just delegated to a small ISP to run the actual MTA.
- citrin_ru 4y ago
  > That's another problem, i talk about technical stuff and not political ones, if your recipient don't want Chinese mails than this is your (or his) (non-)problem, that's a human problem The problem is that a recipient my want Chinese emails, but an operator of an anti-spam system may not know this and just block the whole country using GeoIP and TLD block as a poor-man anti-spam measure. Geo filters IMHO are overused but end users often have no easy way to communicate their problems to whoever sets such filters. In a largish company a user who suspects that emails addressed to him are blocked for no good reason will have to raise a ticket with company's IT which then in turn will have to raise a ticket with a vendor and in a month if a user is lucky the problem will be resolved by which time a sender will either find another way to communicate or will give up. And a user needs to know that someone have unsuccessfully tried to send him an email he wants to receive in a first place.
  - nix23 4y ago
    Yeah look if your spam operator just blocks a whole ip bkock because he dosent know better...change that system. If he thinks blocking a tld is a good idea fire him/it. That's just bad practice.
- zhfliz 4y ago
  > Reallocate new IP ah yeah, because I just want to do trial and error until I maybe find an IP that isn't flagged. fwiw, several VPS providers will keep the same IP assigned to you if you just create a new VPS after deleting the old one. > Everything is greylisted at first contact, email servers don't know how "old" a domain is. just because your mail server doesn't know that it doesn't mean no mail server does. see for example https://spameatingmonkey.com/services https://spameatingmonkey.com/services, which provides reputation lists for recently registered domains. > Change your VPS-Provider, they are plain incapable -> https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request right, because it's totally up to them to ensure some third party that provides PAID services has their data set correct? this is the responsibility of maxmind, not the VPS provider's. from the earlier comment: > Site-verification for gmail/microsoft yeah, if you want to send emails, just go to the 5 biggest providers and submit to their "voluntary" programs to reduce the likelihood of getting marked as spam by them.
  - nix23 4y ago
    - maxbond 4y ago
      People have pointed out numerous factors to you that are beyond one's control - including your control - and your response continues to be to deflect and to rudely deride their abilities. What exactly are you trying to establish? Everyone is just pretending that email is difficult?
      - nix23 4y ago
      - denton-scratch 4y ago
        I don't think it's difficult, in the sense in which network security, or compiler design, or composing orchestral music are difficult. It can be complicated, because there are a lot of moving parts. And because your service is going to deal with many other services that are not under your control, and which you probably never heard of, there are submerged rocks that you can stub your toe on. If you get your ducks lined up first (good domain, clean hosting etc.), then setting up a mailserver can be pretty much a cookie-cutter exercise. There are practical challenges, but no part of setting up a mailserver is technically hard.

nix23 4y ago

>IP was never on a blocklist before Reallocate new IP >domain name doesn’t get blocked for being too algorithmic looking according to the spam ML model Check your domain on your own SpamD/Spamassasin but i never had that problem. >And your domain is old enough not to get greylisted Everything is greylisted at first contact, email servers don't know how "old" a domain is. >And not too many of your users get reported as spam. Yes you can be a spam-bot too, that's why you check your outgoing emails for spam too and limit the recipients and mail frequency outside your domain. >And your domain isn’t in .ru or .cn That's another problem, i talk about technical stuff and not political ones, if your recipient don't want Chinese mails than this is your (or his) (non-)problem, that's a human problem. >And your netblock isn’t accidentally put into those regions in maxmind. Change your VPS-Provider, they are plain incapable -> https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request

themoonisachees 4y ago
Adding to that, if tour IP was on a blocklist before, you van request an unblock at spamhaus. Might take a few days but they generally comply.
pjc50 4y ago
I'm reminded of the "cryptocurrency is easy to secure if you just follow these fifty three steps with no errors" advocacy. (I used to run my own email and gave up years ago, it's too much hassle to do part time)
- AshamedCaptain 4y ago
  > I used to run my own email and gave up years ago, it's too much hassle to do part time Wouldn't this disqualify your experience when compared to the people who still do it?
  - pjc50 4y ago
    How? It means I have a reasonable idea of the complexity involved. Sure, "too much" is a subjective term, but .. look around, there really aren't all that many people doing it any more, just like everyone bemoans the movement of blogs to social media. I still have the domain, because it's also too much hassle to change an email address which you've used in a lot of places, it's just delegated to a small ISP to run the actual MTA.
citrin_ru 4y ago
> That's another problem, i talk about technical stuff and not political ones, if your recipient don't want Chinese mails than this is your (or his) (non-)problem, that's a human problem The problem is that a recipient my want Chinese emails, but an operator of an anti-spam system may not know this and just block the whole country using GeoIP and TLD block as a poor-man anti-spam measure. Geo filters IMHO are overused but end users often have no easy way to communicate their problems to whoever sets such filters. In a largish company a user who suspects that emails addressed to him are blocked for no good reason will have to raise a ticket with company's IT which then in turn will have to raise a ticket with a vendor and in a month if a user is lucky the problem will be resolved by which time a sender will either find another way to communicate or will give up. And a user needs to know that someone have unsuccessfully tried to send him an email he wants to receive in a first place.
- nix23 4y ago
  Yeah look if your spam operator just blocks a whole ip bkock because he dosent know better...change that system. If he thinks blocking a tld is a good idea fire him/it. That's just bad practice.
zhfliz 4y ago
> Reallocate new IP ah yeah, because I just want to do trial and error until I maybe find an IP that isn't flagged. fwiw, several VPS providers will keep the same IP assigned to you if you just create a new VPS after deleting the old one. > Everything is greylisted at first contact, email servers don't know how "old" a domain is. just because your mail server doesn't know that it doesn't mean no mail server does. see for example https://spameatingmonkey.com/services https://spameatingmonkey.com/services, which provides reputation lists for recently registered domains. > Change your VPS-Provider, they are plain incapable -> https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-data-correction-request right, because it's totally up to them to ensure some third party that provides PAID services has their data set correct? this is the responsibility of maxmind, not the VPS provider's. from the earlier comment: > Site-verification for gmail/microsoft yeah, if you want to send emails, just go to the 5 biggest providers and submit to their "voluntary" programs to reduce the likelihood of getting marked as spam by them.
- nix23 4y ago
  - maxbond 4y ago
    People have pointed out numerous factors to you that are beyond one's control - including your control - and your response continues to be to deflect and to rudely deride their abilities. What exactly are you trying to establish? Everyone is just pretending that email is difficult?
    - nix23 4y ago
    - denton-scratch 4y ago
      I don't think it's difficult, in the sense in which network security, or compiler design, or composing orchestral music are difficult. It can be complicated, because there are a lot of moving parts. And because your service is going to deal with many other services that are not under your control, and which you probably never heard of, there are submerged rocks that you can stub your toe on. If you get your ducks lined up first (good domain, clean hosting etc.), then setting up a mailserver can be pretty much a cookie-cutter exercise. There are practical challenges, but no part of setting up a mailserver is technically hard.