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Something you want to keep in mind is that stellar coders from India (I don't know if they're a huge majority or minority or whatever, but they do exist) alread

by 2143 4y ago

Something you want to keep in mind is that stellar coders from India (I don't know if they're a huge majority or minority or whatever, but they do exist) already have stellar jobs and won't be up for hire. The random people who are up for hire from India — there's a good chance they're up for hire because they couldn't get anything else. You get what you pay for. And the best are probably not even in the market.

thombat 4y ago
My UK employer in 2004 had the brilliant idea to save money by establishing a subsidiary in Bangalore. Find some awesome engineers and only have to pay Indian salaries & office rental! Took them a depressingly long time to understand that interviews are a two-way street and what most of the best candidates wanted was a multinational that would support them living and working in an exciting new environment for better money, i.e. moving to London and using the London salary to see the world and have fun. Some really good guys, but would have been cheaper and less disruptive just to recruit them straightforwardly. OTOH the director in charge of the project moved to Bangalore on a London salary with his housing costs and domestic staff paid for, living like a Maharajah and filing following progress reports. So the exercise wasn't entirely futile.
ericol 4y ago
I agree whole hearteadly with your comment. We don't pay good rates (at least compared to the US) so obviously we don't attract quality coders, at least from India. We've had very good success with people from the Eastern block, thought.
mrweasel 4y ago
> Something you want to keep in mind is that stellar coders from India already have stellar jobs and won't be up for hire. Precisely, and they know what they're worth, so they won't be cheaper anyway.
victorclf 4y ago
There must have been a time in the past when those stellar coders were unemployed and up for hire...

by 2143 4y ago

thombat 4y ago

My UK employer in 2004 had the brilliant idea to save money by establishing a subsidiary in Bangalore. Find some awesome engineers and only have to pay Indian salaries & office rental! Took them a depressingly long time to understand that interviews are a two-way street and what most of the best candidates wanted was a multinational that would support them living and working in an exciting new environment for better money, i.e. moving to London and using the London salary to see the world and have fun. Some really good guys, but would have been cheaper and less disruptive just to recruit them straightforwardly. OTOH the director in charge of the project moved to Bangalore on a London salary with his housing costs and domestic staff paid for, living like a Maharajah and filing following progress reports. So the exercise wasn't entirely futile.

ericol 4y ago

I agree whole hearteadly with your comment. We don't pay good rates (at least compared to the US) so obviously we don't attract quality coders, at least from India. We've had very good success with people from the Eastern block, thought.

mrweasel 4y ago

> Something you want to keep in mind is that stellar coders from India already have stellar jobs and won't be up for hire. Precisely, and they know what they're worth, so they won't be cheaper anyway.

victorclf 4y ago

There must have been a time in the past when those stellar coders were unemployed and up for hire...