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For what it’s worth, I genuinely don’t know what the implicit claim is.

shemtay 4y ago
IANAEuropean. But, it has been observed that in Europe men of Middle Eastern extraction have subjected European women to sexual assault and harassment at much higher rates than men of a local background, causing women to feel unsafe in contexts that previously did not feel unsafe. The implicit claim, I think, was that this is the cause of the decline of nude beaches. I have no knowledge of this being the case, although I do stand by the fact that a disparity in rates of sexual abuse by men of different ethnic groups exists. This is, of course, the sort of topic that is unlikely to be discussed honestly without the protection of anonymity, and even then many people, particularly women, have ideological beliefs that deny or excuse the above and would prevent them from expressing agreement other than to blame "men" in general.
- otherme123 4y ago
  I'm european, and it's exactly this. Men from northern Africa go to beaches to stare at tits. I'm not even talking of sexual abuse, just sexually repressed men going to the nude beach surrounds fully dressed to see some skin. Obviously you cannot say that in public, much less do anything about it. So women chose to go to less crowded beaches. But I would say, as a nudist, that the biggest problem are the cell cams everywhere. A decade ago, someone could sneak a photo or a short video for his own pleasure, and at SD at best. Today the video is posted 4K on xvideos as it's being recorded. Not funny.
throwaway1777 4y ago
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  Seriously, no it isn't. This is just a racist talking point. In the US, they used to say this about African-Americans and I've heard the same about men from basically any country south of the US, though the folks that spurt this are generally lumped together as "Mexicans" regardless of nationality. I'd be unsurprised if this isn't pretty common throughout bigots of the world, merely changing out immigrant groups to fit the narrative. And I'll assume this unless you can prove that this is at Most an isolated incident that racists use to prop up their propaganda.
  - Chris2048 4y ago
    So do you know this for a fact, or are you speculating that it's racism? Have you ever been to Europe?
    - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
      I live in Europe, though I'm an immigrant, hence my talking about racism in the US more - that's where my familiarity lies. But I'm guessing you did this as some sort of weird gotcha that doesn't make sense: One can get a feel for different sorts of racism in the world by communicating with folks different from yourself.
      - Chris2048 4y ago
        If you live in Europe, then be specific. Directly comparing the US to EU doesn't make sense. > One can get a feel for different sorts of racism in the world by communicating with folks different from yourself. Great, and who did you talk to, what did they say, and how did you determine their biases?
  - throwaway1777 4y ago

IANAEuropean. But, it has been observed that in Europe men of Middle Eastern extraction have subjected European women to sexual assault and harassment at much higher rates than men of a local background, causing women to feel unsafe in contexts that previously did not feel unsafe. The implicit claim, I think, was that this is the cause of the decline of nude beaches. I have no knowledge of this being the case, although I do stand by the fact that a disparity in rates of sexual abuse by men of different ethnic groups exists. This is, of course, the sort of topic that is unlikely to be discussed honestly without the protection of anonymity, and even then many people, particularly women, have ideological beliefs that deny or excuse the above and would prevent them from expressing agreement other than to blame "men" in general.

otherme123 4y ago
I'm european, and it's exactly this. Men from northern Africa go to beaches to stare at tits. I'm not even talking of sexual abuse, just sexually repressed men going to the nude beach surrounds fully dressed to see some skin. Obviously you cannot say that in public, much less do anything about it. So women chose to go to less crowded beaches. But I would say, as a nudist, that the biggest problem are the cell cams everywhere. A decade ago, someone could sneak a photo or a short video for his own pleasure, and at SD at best. Today the video is posted 4K on xvideos as it's being recorded. Not funny.

throwaway1777 4y ago

Broken_Hippo 4y ago
Seriously, no it isn't. This is just a racist talking point. In the US, they used to say this about African-Americans and I've heard the same about men from basically any country south of the US, though the folks that spurt this are generally lumped together as "Mexicans" regardless of nationality. I'd be unsurprised if this isn't pretty common throughout bigots of the world, merely changing out immigrant groups to fit the narrative. And I'll assume this unless you can prove that this is at Most an isolated incident that racists use to prop up their propaganda.
- Chris2048 4y ago
  So do you know this for a fact, or are you speculating that it's racism? Have you ever been to Europe?
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    I live in Europe, though I'm an immigrant, hence my talking about racism in the US more - that's where my familiarity lies. But I'm guessing you did this as some sort of weird gotcha that doesn't make sense: One can get a feel for different sorts of racism in the world by communicating with folks different from yourself.
    - Chris2048 4y ago
      If you live in Europe, then be specific. Directly comparing the US to EU doesn't make sense. > One can get a feel for different sorts of racism in the world by communicating with folks different from yourself. Great, and who did you talk to, what did they say, and how did you determine their biases?
- throwaway1777 4y ago