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California ruins everything. The problem is they're exporting the people that came up with the ideas to other states.

by exabrial 4y ago

treeman79 4y ago
Well they did loose a vote in the electoral college. First population decline in history.
- egberts1 4y ago
  Despite unheard of voter turnouts.
- mickdeek86 4y ago
  California's population did not decline, per the US census. It's share of the overall US population slightly declined (ie grew more slowly than eg Texas). So Cal lost one congressional seat in the new apportionment, and thus one vote in the electoral college as you say.
michaelwww 4y ago
The saying is "As California goes, so goes the nation" because California is slightly ahead in the future and deals with issues first, compared to say, Kansas. The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed" -- William Gibson I did a fair amount of road trips around America to have a look around and found this to be true. For example, many small towns and even larger ones like Wichita Kansas feel like they're still in the 1970's. This is probably not as true as when I did my trips in the 2000's, because the internet has spread the future around more evenly.
- exabrial 4y ago
  I live in Kansas. We're fine, thank you. I pay a 1/10 of the taxes and I don't have the government invading every single aspect of my personal business.
  - michaelwww 4y ago
    Kansas is a fine state. A little behind the times when I was there in 2004, but I'm sure it's caught up by now.
    - powerslacker 4y ago
      Has anyone ever told you that your attitude toward other states comes across as arrogance?
      - michaelwww 4y ago
        California has 44 million people and is the 6th largest economy in the world. The 9 counties in the Bay Area where I live have a larger GDP than most countries, a little bigger than Saudi Arabia. Silicon Valley is home to cutting edge technology companies that have changed the world so much that people want to rein in "Big Tech." When Vladimir Putin complains about American cultural hegemony he's talking about California. Are you saying California and Kansas are the same? What I said was that some parts of America are more futuristic than others, which is obvious to anyone who has travelled around America. There are other parts of the country which are on the cutting edge such as Seattle, Portland, Chicago, etc... I suspect you haven't been to Kansas. To me it felt like going back in time, but that's subjective. It's not a criticism. There's nothing wrong with it. I like Kansas. I said that. Go to Wichita. Go to Fargo. Go to Paris Texas. Tell me how I'm wrong. I've done the road trips because I wanted to see for myself what the rest of the country was like. Jackson Mississippi currently doesn't have a working water supply. Downtown Flint Michigan is all boarded up. What kind of attitude should I have? Edit: I'd say the city that is most improved as far as moving into the future is Salt Lake City. I was there in 2004 and then 2020. There's been a remarkable transformation, which I guess is understandable because the Mormon Church has 100 Billion dollars, and is the richest religious organization, right behind the Catholic Church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_o...
        kbelder 4y ago

California ruins everything. The problem is they're exporting the people that came up with the ideas to other states.

treeman79 4y ago

Well they did loose a vote in the electoral college. First population decline in history.

egberts1 4y ago
Despite unheard of voter turnouts.
mickdeek86 4y ago
California's population did not decline, per the US census. It's share of the overall US population slightly declined (ie grew more slowly than eg Texas). So Cal lost one congressional seat in the new apportionment, and thus one vote in the electoral college as you say.

michaelwww 4y ago

The saying is "As California goes, so goes the nation" because California is slightly ahead in the future and deals with issues first, compared to say, Kansas. The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed" -- William Gibson I did a fair amount of road trips around America to have a look around and found this to be true. For example, many small towns and even larger ones like Wichita Kansas feel like they're still in the 1970's. This is probably not as true as when I did my trips in the 2000's, because the internet has spread the future around more evenly.

exabrial 4y ago
I live in Kansas. We're fine, thank you. I pay a 1/10 of the taxes and I don't have the government invading every single aspect of my personal business.
- michaelwww 4y ago
  Kansas is a fine state. A little behind the times when I was there in 2004, but I'm sure it's caught up by now.
  - powerslacker 4y ago
    Has anyone ever told you that your attitude toward other states comes across as arrogance?
    - michaelwww 4y ago
      California has 44 million people and is the 6th largest economy in the world. The 9 counties in the Bay Area where I live have a larger GDP than most countries, a little bigger than Saudi Arabia. Silicon Valley is home to cutting edge technology companies that have changed the world so much that people want to rein in "Big Tech." When Vladimir Putin complains about American cultural hegemony he's talking about California. Are you saying California and Kansas are the same? What I said was that some parts of America are more futuristic than others, which is obvious to anyone who has travelled around America. There are other parts of the country which are on the cutting edge such as Seattle, Portland, Chicago, etc... I suspect you haven't been to Kansas. To me it felt like going back in time, but that's subjective. It's not a criticism. There's nothing wrong with it. I like Kansas. I said that. Go to Wichita. Go to Fargo. Go to Paris Texas. Tell me how I'm wrong. I've done the road trips because I wanted to see for myself what the rest of the country was like. Jackson Mississippi currently doesn't have a working water supply. Downtown Flint Michigan is all boarded up. What kind of attitude should I have? Edit: I'd say the city that is most improved as far as moving into the future is Salt Lake City. I was there in 2004 and then 2020. There's been a remarkable transformation, which I guess is understandable because the Mormon Church has 100 Billion dollars, and is the richest religious organization, right behind the Catholic Church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_o...
      - kbelder 4y ago