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It's worse than that: we are celebrating it Now I'm not saying we need to shame anyone, but saying "healthy at any size" is a terrible lie and in the long term

It's worse than that: we are celebrating it Now I'm not saying we need to shame anyone, but saying "healthy at any size" is a terrible lie and in the long term helps no one.

c54 4y ago
“Healthy at any size” is a reasonable stance, and one in reaction to a medical system and social norm of being mean and hateful towards overweight people. BMI is not the only measure of health, but doctors will regularly tell heavyset patients with real other diseases to lose weight. Fat people are literally the only group where it’s just OK to make fun of them, in many circles. Even for those who are overweight and unhealthy, berating and shaming someone is never going to be a way to help someone heal.
- ahtihn 4y ago
  Shaming works. There's nothing wrong with doctors telling overweight patients to lose weight. Because it is unhealthy.
  - onion2k 4y ago
    Shaming works. Why is obesity becoming more common when every doctor tells people to lose weight then?
    - wickedsickeune 4y ago
      It's obviously people who like being ashamed! /s
- dclusin 4y ago
  It’s okay to shame smokers because they are hurting more than just themselves with second hand smoke. But it’s not okay to shame fat parents who let their kids get fat even tho that’s hurting others. The logical conclusion of what you’re asking for is absolving people of accountability for their poor life choices. People rightly and understandably vehemently disagree with this.
anchochilis 4y ago
"Healthy at any size" does not literally mean "obese people are as healthy as thin people." I recommend reading the book, the entire point of which is about shifting one's health efforts from an exclusive focus on weight to a more holistic view. I.e. even if you can't drop that last 20 pounds (and many people struggle to do so, especially as they age), you should still eat a healthy diet, exercise, limit alcohol intake and avoid smoking.
- nu11ptr 4y ago
  The "healthy at any size" kick isn't talking about an extra 20 pounds. From the pictures I've seen it is at least an extra 100lbs. The problem is by removing the stigma of being obese, we are ushering in massive health issues and disease for this upcoming generation.
  - anchochilis 4y ago
    The idea that we have removed the social stigma for being obese is laughable. Obese people are discriminated against in healthcare, employment, and social settings. Furthermore, numerous studies have show that fat shaming does not lead to weight loss. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ Shockingly, it turns out if you tell someone with 100 lbs to lose that they are a disgusting lazy piece of shit doomed to an early grave, they tend to withdraw from health care and other social settings, seek comfort in unhealthy habits, and suffer from anxiety and depression. They may give up on their health entirely. After all, if you've struggled your entire life to lose weight and made little progress, then what's the point?

It's worse than that: we are celebrating it Now I'm not saying we need to shame anyone, but saying "healthy at any size" is a terrible lie and in the long term helps no one.

c54 4y ago

“Healthy at any size” is a reasonable stance, and one in reaction to a medical system and social norm of being mean and hateful towards overweight people. BMI is not the only measure of health, but doctors will regularly tell heavyset patients with real other diseases to lose weight. Fat people are literally the only group where it’s just OK to make fun of them, in many circles. Even for those who are overweight and unhealthy, berating and shaming someone is never going to be a way to help someone heal.

ahtihn 4y ago
Shaming works. There's nothing wrong with doctors telling overweight patients to lose weight. Because it is unhealthy.
- onion2k 4y ago
  Shaming works. Why is obesity becoming more common when every doctor tells people to lose weight then?
  - wickedsickeune 4y ago
    It's obviously people who like being ashamed! /s
dclusin 4y ago
It’s okay to shame smokers because they are hurting more than just themselves with second hand smoke. But it’s not okay to shame fat parents who let their kids get fat even tho that’s hurting others. The logical conclusion of what you’re asking for is absolving people of accountability for their poor life choices. People rightly and understandably vehemently disagree with this.

anchochilis 4y ago

"Healthy at any size" does not literally mean "obese people are as healthy as thin people." I recommend reading the book, the entire point of which is about shifting one's health efforts from an exclusive focus on weight to a more holistic view. I.e. even if you can't drop that last 20 pounds (and many people struggle to do so, especially as they age), you should still eat a healthy diet, exercise, limit alcohol intake and avoid smoking.

nu11ptr 4y ago
The "healthy at any size" kick isn't talking about an extra 20 pounds. From the pictures I've seen it is at least an extra 100lbs. The problem is by removing the stigma of being obese, we are ushering in massive health issues and disease for this upcoming generation.
- anchochilis 4y ago
  The idea that we have removed the social stigma for being obese is laughable. Obese people are discriminated against in healthcare, employment, and social settings. Furthermore, numerous studies have show that fat shaming does not lead to weight loss. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6565398/ Shockingly, it turns out if you tell someone with 100 lbs to lose that they are a disgusting lazy piece of shit doomed to an early grave, they tend to withdraw from health care and other social settings, seek comfort in unhealthy habits, and suffer from anxiety and depression. They may give up on their health entirely. After all, if you've struggled your entire life to lose weight and made little progress, then what's the point?