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Pelosi's visit was a sufficient statement, especially in light of their military bravado. China made a bluff, the US called it, and China backed down.

TheRealPomax 4y ago
In so many ways: it really wasn't. China made a bluff, because that's what you do when you're in power in China, and the US went "we're not Chinese" and then China went "k" and nothing happened and no one cared. China didn't back down, they never stepped up. Blustering is literally part of "that just what you do". You don't call someone's bluff in China, you never believed them in the first place, you only nodded initially because that's just what you do.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning China cared a lot. For sure, the US didn't believe china would do anything. The stance of the US is clear though. China is under US protection. Doubly so in light of the recent 1.1 billion dollar military aid deal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/biden-administration-readies-1-1-billion-ams-sale-to-taiwan https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/biden-adm...
  - dirtyid 4y ago
    PRC set new military norm across the strait completely uncontested, and now post Pelosi policy wank in US is how to reset that new balance... and the answer was... 2 DDGs transiting through the strait, aka nothing. Not even a carrier. PRC chipped more away at defacto TW soverienty than US gained trying to boost TW dejure status. >China's final warning It's hilarious when people daftly throw this Soviet meme from the 60 which ended in Sino-Soviet border war in 69. PRC has gone to war with US+UN, USSR, India... threatend UK over HK handover, and supplied Vietnam against France over security concerns much smaller than TW. That makes PRC the only country who has no qualms with going hot with EVERY NPT nuclear state. China's final warning has consistently preluded to war.
    - spywaregorilla 4y ago
      I find that opinion to be hilariously out of touch but ok.
      - dirtyid 4y ago
        TFW literal historic events are opinions and funny meme from wikipedia is in touch.
        spywaregorilla 4y ago
        Nah, it's opinions all the way down. I think yours are out of touch. That's all that can be really said.

TheRealPomax 4y ago

In so many ways: it really wasn't. China made a bluff, because that's what you do when you're in power in China, and the US went "we're not Chinese" and then China went "k" and nothing happened and no one cared. China didn't back down, they never stepped up. Blustering is literally part of "that just what you do". You don't call someone's bluff in China, you never believed them in the first place, you only nodded initially because that's just what you do.

spywaregorilla 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning China cared a lot. For sure, the US didn't believe china would do anything. The stance of the US is clear though. China is under US protection. Doubly so in light of the recent 1.1 billion dollar military aid deal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/biden-administration-readies-1-1-billion-ams-sale-to-taiwan https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/biden-adm...
- dirtyid 4y ago
  PRC set new military norm across the strait completely uncontested, and now post Pelosi policy wank in US is how to reset that new balance... and the answer was... 2 DDGs transiting through the strait, aka nothing. Not even a carrier. PRC chipped more away at defacto TW soverienty than US gained trying to boost TW dejure status. >China's final warning It's hilarious when people daftly throw this Soviet meme from the 60 which ended in Sino-Soviet border war in 69. PRC has gone to war with US+UN, USSR, India... threatend UK over HK handover, and supplied Vietnam against France over security concerns much smaller than TW. That makes PRC the only country who has no qualms with going hot with EVERY NPT nuclear state. China's final warning has consistently preluded to war.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    I find that opinion to be hilariously out of touch but ok.
    - dirtyid 4y ago
      TFW literal historic events are opinions and funny meme from wikipedia is in touch.
      - spywaregorilla 4y ago
        Nah, it's opinions all the way down. I think yours are out of touch. That's all that can be really said.