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To me this is a pretty clear message that the US will defend Taiwan with full force.

Victerius 4y ago
Banning the export of sensitive technology is not exactly the equivalent to a MacArthurian full throated embrace of the nuclear arts to defend an ally. China's repeat statements about how it vows to bring Taiwan into the fold are like the gif of a truck about to crash from multiple angles that never actually crashes: https://c.tenor.com/cD8WqQ-ZGXcAAAAC/truck-crash.gif https://c.tenor.com/cD8WqQ-ZGXcAAAAC/truck-crash.gif
- alphabetting 4y ago
  At least to me this order shows the US govt is finally taking AI global implications seriously. And if they're taking those implications seriously, they will never let China have Taiwan.
- jeffparsons 4y ago
  > defend an ally The USA would not merely be defending an ally; it would be defending a part of its supply chain that somehow, somewhere along the line, became essential to pretty much every moving part of the country. Moving enough fab to the continental United States to make a meaningful difference could be done long-term as a matter of strategic policy, but you can't make a change like that fast enough to address the USA's _present day_ geopolitical concerns. For now, Taiwan is kinda important.
option 4y ago
as it should. Taiwan should become part of NATO asap just like Finland and Sweden are trying to do.
- neysofu 4y ago
  No NATO member even recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country, going from that to NATO membership seems... quite the leap.
  - option 4y ago
    it is a sovereign country de-facto, the West should stop being bullied by China.
  - dontlaugh 4y ago
    Taiwan doesn’t even see itself as a independent, the government there still claims all of (Qing) China.
    - throwaway_4ever 4y ago
      RoC only claims that because any deviation from their existing policy is "declaring independence" and what China wants as an excuse to invade and kill millions of people.
    - School-Cotton 4y ago
      No they don’t. They have a totally obsolete, totally ignored (by the government and everybody else) article in their constitution claiming China, which they can’t remove because the actual China has threatened to immediately invade them if they do.
    - himinlomax 4y ago
      That's only true if you take at face value an official lie that absolutely EVERYONE understands to be a lie, as well as understands that everyone else knows it's a lie. That's like saying North Korea is a democracy because everyone calls it the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
      - thriftwy 4y ago
        North Korea is only Democratic because Stalin hated the idea of them being called PRK, which would resolve to the same cyrillic TLA as PRC.
- Green_man 4y ago
  Territorial disputes are a problem for NATO membership, especially wrt article 5. Even if Taiwan gave up any claims to the Chinese mainland or other disputed territories, China's claims of sovereignty of the island could justifiably be enough to deny membership. On top of that, NATO is explicitly a European organization, with no member countries outside the European area besides USA and Canada. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm
erdos4d 4y ago
Huh? How do you get that from this?
flykespice 4y ago
How? Blocking GPUs to the ally enemy seems pretty silly and I see no correlation with defense
butterfly771 4y ago
As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?
- onepointsixC 4y ago
  >is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan? Yes the US is very much determined to win such a war. A free and independent Taiwan is the linchpin of American foreign policy in Asia. America is willing to spend great fortunes in treasure and blood to keep it that way.
  - quantum_state 4y ago
    Counting the track records … Vietnam, Afghan … apart from wasting lots of tax payer money and making the people in the area miserable, what else did we achieve?
    - onepointsixC 4y ago
      Those are your go to for examples of the US lacking determination and resolve to stand by allies? Sure the US abandoned the South Vietnamese and the Afghan Governments, but only after two decades of military conflict in support of each. A dragged out conflict over Taiwan hurts the CCP the most.
      - quantum_state 4y ago
        Please remember the CCP has no feeling … hard to make it feel hurt. However, a dragged out conflict would hurt the people at TW and waste our money … let’s focus on building this country strong and take care the ppl here …
        onepointsixC 4y ago

Banning the export of sensitive technology is not exactly the equivalent to a MacArthurian full throated embrace of the nuclear arts to defend an ally. China's repeat statements about how it vows to bring Taiwan into the fold are like the gif of a truck about to crash from multiple angles that never actually crashes: https://c.tenor.com/cD8WqQ-ZGXcAAAAC/truck-crash.gif https://c.tenor.com/cD8WqQ-ZGXcAAAAC/truck-crash.gif

alphabetting 4y ago
At least to me this order shows the US govt is finally taking AI global implications seriously. And if they're taking those implications seriously, they will never let China have Taiwan.
jeffparsons 4y ago
> defend an ally The USA would not merely be defending an ally; it would be defending a part of its supply chain that somehow, somewhere along the line, became essential to pretty much every moving part of the country. Moving enough fab to the continental United States to make a meaningful difference could be done long-term as a matter of strategic policy, but you can't make a change like that fast enough to address the USA's _present day_ geopolitical concerns. For now, Taiwan is kinda important.

option 4y ago

as it should. Taiwan should become part of NATO asap just like Finland and Sweden are trying to do.

neysofu 4y ago
No NATO member even recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign country, going from that to NATO membership seems... quite the leap.
- option 4y ago
  it is a sovereign country de-facto, the West should stop being bullied by China.
- dontlaugh 4y ago
  Taiwan doesn’t even see itself as a independent, the government there still claims all of (Qing) China.
  - throwaway_4ever 4y ago
    RoC only claims that because any deviation from their existing policy is "declaring independence" and what China wants as an excuse to invade and kill millions of people.
  - School-Cotton 4y ago
    No they don’t. They have a totally obsolete, totally ignored (by the government and everybody else) article in their constitution claiming China, which they can’t remove because the actual China has threatened to immediately invade them if they do.
  - himinlomax 4y ago
    That's only true if you take at face value an official lie that absolutely EVERYONE understands to be a lie, as well as understands that everyone else knows it's a lie. That's like saying North Korea is a democracy because everyone calls it the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      North Korea is only Democratic because Stalin hated the idea of them being called PRK, which would resolve to the same cyrillic TLA as PRC.
Green_man 4y ago
Territorial disputes are a problem for NATO membership, especially wrt article 5. Even if Taiwan gave up any claims to the Chinese mainland or other disputed territories, China's claims of sovereignty of the island could justifiably be enough to deny membership. On top of that, NATO is explicitly a European organization, with no member countries outside the European area besides USA and Canada. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm

erdos4d 4y ago

Huh? How do you get that from this?

flykespice 4y ago

How? Blocking GPUs to the ally enemy seems pretty silly and I see no correlation with defense

butterfly771 4y ago

As a Chinese, what I want to say is that populism here has risen rapidly in recent years, the Thucydides trap has been fulfilled again, and a war is basically inevitable. is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan?

onepointsixC 4y ago
>is the United States determined to deal with this earth war? How much are you willing to pay to protect Taiwan? Yes the US is very much determined to win such a war. A free and independent Taiwan is the linchpin of American foreign policy in Asia. America is willing to spend great fortunes in treasure and blood to keep it that way.
- quantum_state 4y ago
  Counting the track records … Vietnam, Afghan … apart from wasting lots of tax payer money and making the people in the area miserable, what else did we achieve?
  - onepointsixC 4y ago
    Those are your go to for examples of the US lacking determination and resolve to stand by allies? Sure the US abandoned the South Vietnamese and the Afghan Governments, but only after two decades of military conflict in support of each. A dragged out conflict over Taiwan hurts the CCP the most.
    - quantum_state 4y ago
      Please remember the CCP has no feeling … hard to make it feel hurt. However, a dragged out conflict would hurt the people at TW and waste our money … let’s focus on building this country strong and take care the ppl here …
      - onepointsixC 4y ago