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> in my perfect world (...) cf isn't even in a position to arbitrate speech This is literally the only thing I'm advocating for. I'm a trans woman that openly

> in my perfect world (...) cf isn't even in a position to arbitrate speech This is literally the only thing I'm advocating for. I'm a trans woman that openly speaks about my and others' experiences. Trust me when I say, codified systems for reporting abuse are themselves the target of the same abuse. I've gotten the "Sorry, we're leaving this up" from reporting anti trans content on Facebook. I've had comments saying sex != gender reported/removed so many times, a Reddit account I used straight up isn't allowed to comment anywhere anymore. All the YouTube shit you hear conservatives whine about straight up just scans the autogenerated transcript for any mention of political phrases like "LGBT" or sexually explicit language like might come up in discussing my transition. All these reasons are why I'm fine with Kiwi Farms coming down but I don't think Cloudflare should change their stance on avoiding it in almost all situations. The donation thing is that Cloudflare refuses to profit off of this and is therefore incentivized to avoid such customers. Companies are always going to pick the path of greatest profit so engraining morality in that path is better than not doing it.

stormbrew 4y ago
> Trust me Trust me when I say I'm aware and that I have very specific reasons to feel the way I do. But the thing is that cf absolutely is profiting off this. They provide this service to make themselves indispensable, to make themselves an attractive product for people to use. By holding the line here, they will drum up plenty of business that's really happy about their stance, even if it only toes the line kf crosses with impunity. The goal of the campaign against cf (and anyone else providing them services) is to make it less profitable to provide services to kf. This is the only tool left in the capitalist world we live in. What cf is doing here is less like advocating for free speech and more like the social version of providing a free open smtp relay. They obscure the true cost of doing something reprehensible. And they do it at great financial expense completely by choice, because it likely drums up more business for them than it costs.
- DoctorOW 4y ago
  Just a hunch but if you want a less public place to discuss this I have contact info on my profile.

stormbrew 4y ago

> Trust me Trust me when I say I'm aware and that I have very specific reasons to feel the way I do. But the thing is that cf absolutely is profiting off this. They provide this service to make themselves indispensable, to make themselves an attractive product for people to use. By holding the line here, they will drum up plenty of business that's really happy about their stance, even if it only toes the line kf crosses with impunity. The goal of the campaign against cf (and anyone else providing them services) is to make it less profitable to provide services to kf. This is the only tool left in the capitalist world we live in. What cf is doing here is less like advocating for free speech and more like the social version of providing a free open smtp relay. They obscure the true cost of doing something reprehensible. And they do it at great financial expense completely by choice, because it likely drums up more business for them than it costs.

DoctorOW 4y ago
Just a hunch but if you want a less public place to discuss this I have contact info on my profile.