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Four days ago.

ggm 4y ago
do us a favour, and sample a cohort of your friends outside your immediate circle, down to new families, wives with kids at kindy, and non-rural people. You certainly exist, but you're at the end of the curve. Thats the point of substance here. I haven't driven more than 60km a week in 5 years, with occasional 150-300 forays and most of my fellow apt dwellers are the same. We know we exist, we know you exist. if your answer is "we all do" then you are definedly in a very specific cohort, which I think you need to identify and clarify what % of the population you are. Hint: you probably aren't working in LA or NY where millions and millions of people live and work.
- RichardCNormos 4y ago
  - ggm 4y ago
    nope. not at all. very happy you live as you do, and I hope us freeing up diesel supply helps your pricepoint to get the job done. Nothing here said "you must change" the point is, the rural economy as worker counts has been in decline since the 19th century introduced mechanised farming. You are a super, super important cohort, and you are also a small one. As are truckers, and builders doing rural and remote, and telco linesmen. Nobody is saying you don't have legit range fear. I am saying, you are in a specific cohort, and its small. Can I point out again how small but crucial you are? It even plays electorally: you have so much swing in the senate, you can functionally vote things down. So please don't misunderstand: I know your power, and your need for fuel.
  - superchroma 4y ago
    And those of us who are city people are tired of hearing about how expensive it is to run a farm and how you're being muscled out by large corporations and locked into increasingly large systems with your tractors and equipment. Farming is not cute, and the corners that many of you people have cut to do what you do, whether it's running a miniature auschwitz for animals, keeping them caged and drugged with hormones and antibiotics, spraying crops with roundup to increase yield at harvest time, irresponsibly taking more water than you should in drought areas, or any of the other problematic things you do, trouble us. We do think it's time to change the ways some things have been done up to now. City people aren't beyond reproach either, but as farmers are higher in the chain, their actions are more impactful.
  - hindsightbias 4y ago
    Any rational reader would understand you were excluded because your requirements are different. Unless you think Tesla should be optimizing to you, the chip is on your shoulder.

Four days ago.

ggm 4y ago

do us a favour, and sample a cohort of your friends outside your immediate circle, down to new families, wives with kids at kindy, and non-rural people. You certainly exist, but you're at the end of the curve. Thats the point of substance here. I haven't driven more than 60km a week in 5 years, with occasional 150-300 forays and most of my fellow apt dwellers are the same. We know we exist, we know you exist. if your answer is "we all do" then you are definedly in a very specific cohort, which I think you need to identify and clarify what % of the population you are. Hint: you probably aren't working in LA or NY where millions and millions of people live and work.

RichardCNormos 4y ago
- ggm 4y ago
  nope. not at all. very happy you live as you do, and I hope us freeing up diesel supply helps your pricepoint to get the job done. Nothing here said "you must change" the point is, the rural economy as worker counts has been in decline since the 19th century introduced mechanised farming. You are a super, super important cohort, and you are also a small one. As are truckers, and builders doing rural and remote, and telco linesmen. Nobody is saying you don't have legit range fear. I am saying, you are in a specific cohort, and its small. Can I point out again how small but crucial you are? It even plays electorally: you have so much swing in the senate, you can functionally vote things down. So please don't misunderstand: I know your power, and your need for fuel.
- superchroma 4y ago
  And those of us who are city people are tired of hearing about how expensive it is to run a farm and how you're being muscled out by large corporations and locked into increasingly large systems with your tractors and equipment. Farming is not cute, and the corners that many of you people have cut to do what you do, whether it's running a miniature auschwitz for animals, keeping them caged and drugged with hormones and antibiotics, spraying crops with roundup to increase yield at harvest time, irresponsibly taking more water than you should in drought areas, or any of the other problematic things you do, trouble us. We do think it's time to change the ways some things have been done up to now. City people aren't beyond reproach either, but as farmers are higher in the chain, their actions are more impactful.
- hindsightbias 4y ago
  Any rational reader would understand you were excluded because your requirements are different. Unless you think Tesla should be optimizing to you, the chip is on your shoulder.