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When was the last time you bought a new generation of a product which is way more expensive AND inferior compared to the legacy one? No matter how you put it 30
by Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
When was the last time you bought a new generation of a product which is way more expensive AND inferior compared to the legacy one? No matter how you put it 300 miles range and 1h to get back to full range is inferior compared to 400 miles range and 45 seconds gas splash and go to get back to full range.
Considering that EVs are way more expensive than ICEVs and the design team has even more constraints compared to gasoline cars (because they need to have an even lower aerodynamic Cx)...buying an EV as it stands is essentially an altruistic choice.
As a young person I feel like I maxed by dose of altruism when I was asked to essentially stop living 2020-2022 for what essentially amounts to a virus comparable with the 1969 Influenza when people where having the time of their lives consming all sorts of drugs at Woodstock and engaging in decadent expenses such as the one incurred in sending people to the Moon.
Also it's not even clear who's gonna be the beneficiary of this altruism, it's a story as old as time that if you leave a vacuum someone else is gonna fill that vacuum. For every ugly Tesla 3 that people in the West inflict upon themselves (and those who have to look at it) there are Indians and Malay farmers who see it as an opportunity to light up even more palm oil for their convenience. Not to mention Chinese industries which post bogus GDP numbers and will soon post bogus CO2 emission numbers.
The West is cucking itself on basically every possible front so we have to thank Nature for installing backup systems in other cultures which will come in handy as they refuse to follow us in this nonsense.
tl;dr Austerity and limiting one's quality of life has never been the answer, all the way back to very beginning of life itself. It won't start being the answer now.
- ggm 4y agothis is fundamentally about PR, and economics. Because we believe shorter range is inferior the fact its more than the vast bulk of average range inherently casts it as inferior but there is no "god" deciding what is inferior or superior. Its entirely subjective. Now don't get me wrong, on BUILD QUALITY alone I could go to inferior, but that aside, its accelleration at the lights from the standing start is just unbelievable. If you live for burning off the guy in the next lane, its not inferior. Its subjective.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y agoMore optionality is always better, what do you mean?
- ggm 4y agowhat I mean is, ranting "it's inferior" is .. kinda wrong and not helpful.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y agoLess optionality for a higher price is always inferior, I don't know any other adjective to define such poor arrangement
- ggm 4y agooh, you're reductionist? sure. its "inferior" totally inferior. Thats why nobody wants it. Or, do you acknowledge that whilst its absolutely "inferior" in your definition, its selling like hot cakes, worldwide, and so represents a good in itself which is not actually assessed by its relative worth to other things? You can't put a tent and a primus stove in a kelly bag. None the less, its immensely popular in a specific cohort of wealthy people who value it as a status symbol despite being inferior in every other way from a rucksack. And as I pointed out, EV take off at the lights as if somebody tied a burning rag to a cats tail. Hard to be reductionist about "inferior" if its actually better at something. or.. dare I say it, being less polluting? "less optionality for a higher price" is not actually inferior. "it depends" here's a theory. I am arguing with a low karma account which seeks to increase its karma by being provocative. I wonder.. is there a model where somehow other than not responding, we can stop that? probably not: I need to police my responses better.
- superchroma 4y agoUh, smartphones? Bad battery life and, at launch, not very good features? What about LCD? Worse colors than plasma and CRT and more expensive. Drawing tablets for computers, which cost a fortune and were a janky mess to begin with. Battery powered earbuds; also bad battery life, frustrating bluetooth behavior and cost a fortune? The common story on all these things is that they improved as technology matured. And in regards to cuckolding ourselves (poor phrasing on your part), we've taken out a big metaphorical loan to live like we do, from the planet. To get here, we've filled the ocean with plastic, poisoned the rainwater with PFAS and ruined a whole lot besides. We have not found a nominal equilibrium yet. Our operations at large scale still come with tremendous unanticipated negative externalities, whether it's the cultivation of supercharged diseases and pests through heavy use of chemicals on crops and the creation of large monocultures, polluting water bodies with huge fertilizer runoffs and the contraceptives we excrete because of our addiction to consequence free sex or rapidly draining aquifers for water to drink or just waste in hour-long showers. We pollute our own bodies in this way, with plastic particles in our water, our meat. So, we can't keep doing this. We do need to curtail how we live amd find a better way that isn't necessary going to be sexier or less work. Even if we do, there remains the open question about how other countries can even advance, as the world can hardly afford more first world countries that live at the standard that you or I do now.