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How on earth are they going to enforce that? Kazakhstan and Turkey are bound to become unusually large buyers of such GPUs.
by thriftwy 4y ago
How on earth are they going to enforce that? Kazakhstan and Turkey are bound to become unusually large buyers of such GPUs.
- wmf 4y agoCompanies are supposed to watch for diversion of controlled tech. There are various red flags like buyers who aren't qualified to use what they're buying.
- colechristensen 4y agoCharging companies for evading sanctions and export controls is a pretty regular thing. It’s not about single units crossing the borders but large numbers which are much harder to hide and investigation of such things isn’t that hard.
- thriftwy 4y agoWhat do you do with 100,000 central asian guest workers each carrying one GPU in their cabin baggage when they go to Russia for their construction gig? Smuggling electronics beats smuggling drugs, danger-wise.
- colechristensen 4y agoBillion dollar operations like that would be noticed by someone up the chain of suppliers. That just isn’t how these things usually happen. It’s usually a couple of hops of resellers in increasingly distant from American jurisdiction areas.
- thriftwy 4y agoThey are going to buy those GPUs in retail and offload for a 20% markup on Russian market. One or two GPUs and they paid for the plane ticket. They can even sell it on Avito on their own. Look, ma, no operation. So you have noticed a lot of retail demand for those consumer goods, what would you do?
- nomel 4y agoCould you describe how this works? What if a company in Kazakhstan buys them and then ships them to Russia? How would the US "charge" a Kazakhstan company? Is it AMD that would be charged? Would AMD be liable for every card they sold? How many levels of misdirection until they're liable? I know nothing about this.
- rvnx 4y agoThere is a weird extraterritoriality concept that essentially says that if you use USD to commit a crime (they have the buy cards in USD at the beginning), that you can be prosecuted in the US, even if you are not from the US. "any company or individual can be investigated, charged and sentenced because of a remote link with US jurisdiction, such as a transaction in US dollars, the existence of a subsidiary onto US territory, or an exchange with a US citizen." I may be wrong (I'm just guessing) but I suppose that this may be one of the non-technical and legal reason crypto platforms prefer USDC or USDT rather than pure USD.
- nomel 4y agoPeople in other countries don't use USD to buy Nvidia GPUs, do they? Does Nvidia only accept USD? I would assume they would have somewhat independent foreign markets set up.
- ngc248 4y agoIt would be a company which would be buying in bulk, which would use USD while buying. What you mention is about an individual buying from an e-commerce site or a retail seller. That can happen in the local currency.
- nomel 4y agoDoes this mean that A100 and H100 are not sold through retailers?
- colechristensen 4y ago
- mhh__ 4y agoIf you want to enforce something then the men with either sunglasses or guns can usually make it happen. If Kazakh companies suddenly started buying GPUs to go in their datacenter that probably doesn't exist suspicions would be raised.