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it has been a multi-pronged assault on people. they have appealed to people who love to have any authority over others, because now they have a personal "moral

it has been a multi-pronged assault on people. they have appealed to people who love to have any authority over others, because now they have a personal "moral high ground" to impose restrictions and their will on others. they have appealed to what is probably mostly those that are intellectuals (or percieve themselves to be) with the whole "trust the science" crowd. At the same time we conveniently forget all the evidence of how science has been deeply corrupted, and "well the science changed". but it has also, very frighteningly so, exposed that people have almost no memory, and way too high trust in authorities. looking back at all the directly insane things governments have done and pushed their citizens to endure, it has also often come with "trust the science" or whatever equivelant thing used back then. Would you line up for the DDT spraying in the streets now? and lead was surely safe in the gasoline. but now of course things are different! the government couldnt possibly be wrong now? and if you think they might be? SCIENCE DENIER YOU ARE KILLING GRANDMA!!!! people have reverted to tribal mentality, and there was enough tribes that several people could find a spot they identified with.

somewhereoutth 4y ago
Or, a bunch of people tried to do what was best for everyone, as far as they were able, meanwhile another bunch of people were pissed they couldn't go to Wendy's. Let's face it, if all Covid needed was a simple pill (that you took after infection, so no need to even think) then no one would have made the slightest fuss. Public health is firstly of prime importance, and secondly something that only collective action can really secure. 'Personal responsibility' won't cut it. This must be a nasty shock to those who were told it was ok to be selfish. Of course, not many people are likely to own up to selfishness, even to themselves, so they dress it up with 'science is wrong' 'don't trust the government' 'they are trying to control us' etc etc. I note in passing that life expectancy continues to fall in the US, while recovering in peer nations.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  > meanwhile another bunch of people were pissed they couldn't go to Wendy's It's this kind of dismissive attitude that really grinds peoples gears. There is a lot of reasons to be pissed about what society did besides "getting a haircut". For example, we absolutely completely fucked over the younger people when they weren't even an at-risk population. > not many people are likely to own up to selfishness I assert the most selfish people were those who expected all of society to shut down because they expected everybody to be as fearful as they were. It is very selfish to make that ask. And plus, these public health "experts" are unelected and unaccountable. They have absolutely no right to impose any of what they did for more than two years. Especially given none of them could assert any of their mandates even worked in a way that was worth the huge costs. Dismissing skeptics like myself in the way you did in your comment is incredibly condesending and sanctimonious. It's downright terrifying that voices like yours were allowed to dominate the discussions over the last two years. It's bullying and abusive.
- redeeman 4y ago
  > I note in passing that life expectancy continues to fall in the US, while recovering in peer nations. yeah, nations like Sweden that was very very very light on these lockdowns.. perhaps you'd entertain the idea that it is not related? :)

somewhereoutth 4y ago

Or, a bunch of people tried to do what was best for everyone, as far as they were able, meanwhile another bunch of people were pissed they couldn't go to Wendy's. Let's face it, if all Covid needed was a simple pill (that you took after infection, so no need to even think) then no one would have made the slightest fuss. Public health is firstly of prime importance, and secondly something that only collective action can really secure. 'Personal responsibility' won't cut it. This must be a nasty shock to those who were told it was ok to be selfish. Of course, not many people are likely to own up to selfishness, even to themselves, so they dress it up with 'science is wrong' 'don't trust the government' 'they are trying to control us' etc etc. I note in passing that life expectancy continues to fall in the US, while recovering in peer nations.

spookthesunset 4y ago
> meanwhile another bunch of people were pissed they couldn't go to Wendy's It's this kind of dismissive attitude that really grinds peoples gears. There is a lot of reasons to be pissed about what society did besides "getting a haircut". For example, we absolutely completely fucked over the younger people when they weren't even an at-risk population. > not many people are likely to own up to selfishness I assert the most selfish people were those who expected all of society to shut down because they expected everybody to be as fearful as they were. It is very selfish to make that ask. And plus, these public health "experts" are unelected and unaccountable. They have absolutely no right to impose any of what they did for more than two years. Especially given none of them could assert any of their mandates even worked in a way that was worth the huge costs. Dismissing skeptics like myself in the way you did in your comment is incredibly condesending and sanctimonious. It's downright terrifying that voices like yours were allowed to dominate the discussions over the last two years. It's bullying and abusive.
redeeman 4y ago
> I note in passing that life expectancy continues to fall in the US, while recovering in peer nations. yeah, nations like Sweden that was very very very light on these lockdowns.. perhaps you'd entertain the idea that it is not related? :)