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I had this happen to me at a former large employer. I insisted on removing the agency from our list of approved agencies and was told that if we did that to eve

I had this happen to me at a former large employer. I insisted on removing the agency from our list of approved agencies and was told that if we did that to every agency that did that sort of fraud then we’d have no agencies in our budget range.

vsareto 4y ago
The damage an individual can do by being overemployed or fraudulent pales in comparison to what some of those agencies do, and they can be fucking over the candidate and company at the same time since they are middlemen. Tons of calls for technical tests of individuals to prevent fraud/bad hires. No one does a technical interview for talent agency recruiters to make sure their company can filter candidates well though.
- actually_a_dog 4y ago
  > The damage an individual can do by being overemployed.... What "damage" does being "overemployed" do in and of itself? If the person is meeting expectations, as long as they're not moonlighting for a competitor, who cares what other things they do to make money?
  - kube-system 4y ago
    They’re referring to people who are incompetent and take roles in which they are not qualified to take. In the case I was referring to, the developer who showed up for the job couldn’t even write a single line of code. We caught this quickly, but not immediately. There were certainly monetary damages from onboarding costs and time wasted, and non monetary damages from reputation with our customers.
    - moritonal 4y ago
      Just to be specific in case you didn't know, "overemployed" refers to the practice of having multiple jobs both secretly and simultaneously.
      - kube-system 4y ago
        Yeah, I know, but in context I think it was clear what was meant.
      - biztos 4y ago
        FWIW I too thought it meant the opposite of underemployed. I didn’t realize the “fraudulent holding of two jobs simultaneously” had acquired this name. Apparently there are other definitions as well, used in economics. One being when workers want to work less (even for less money) but can’t… which is sort of the opposite of the two-jobs thing I guess: https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/overemployment https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-soc...
        actually_a_dog 4y ago
        What's fraudulent about it, assuming it's not violating any employment agreements?
        biztos 4y ago
        In that case it wouldn’t be, but from what I’ve seen online most of the forums, tips etc about this are for people with two full-time jobs they “work” simultaneously and not for people who legitimately go to their second job after finishing their first job. Good luck finding an employer who agrees to that.
        actually_a_dog 4y ago
        > Good luck finding an employer who agrees to that. Just look for the phrase "results only work environment."
    - actually_a_dog 4y ago
      Given the other comments of the person I replied to on this story, I don't think that's it.
kube-system 4y ago
In our case, management was quite unhappy, and I believe legal got involved. As you say, budget certainly has a role in determining the cross section of applicants you get, so… that’s just one more reason they’re my former employer.
Nextgrid 4y ago
> we’d have no agencies in our budget range Well you get what you pay for.

vsareto 4y ago

The damage an individual can do by being overemployed or fraudulent pales in comparison to what some of those agencies do, and they can be fucking over the candidate and company at the same time since they are middlemen. Tons of calls for technical tests of individuals to prevent fraud/bad hires. No one does a technical interview for talent agency recruiters to make sure their company can filter candidates well though.

actually_a_dog 4y ago
> The damage an individual can do by being overemployed.... What "damage" does being "overemployed" do in and of itself? If the person is meeting expectations, as long as they're not moonlighting for a competitor, who cares what other things they do to make money?
- kube-system 4y ago
  They’re referring to people who are incompetent and take roles in which they are not qualified to take. In the case I was referring to, the developer who showed up for the job couldn’t even write a single line of code. We caught this quickly, but not immediately. There were certainly monetary damages from onboarding costs and time wasted, and non monetary damages from reputation with our customers.
  - moritonal 4y ago
    Just to be specific in case you didn't know, "overemployed" refers to the practice of having multiple jobs both secretly and simultaneously.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      Yeah, I know, but in context I think it was clear what was meant.
    - biztos 4y ago
      FWIW I too thought it meant the opposite of underemployed. I didn’t realize the “fraudulent holding of two jobs simultaneously” had acquired this name. Apparently there are other definitions as well, used in economics. One being when workers want to work less (even for less money) but can’t… which is sort of the opposite of the two-jobs thing I guess: https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/overemployment https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-soc...
      - actually_a_dog 4y ago
        What's fraudulent about it, assuming it's not violating any employment agreements?
        biztos 4y ago
        In that case it wouldn’t be, but from what I’ve seen online most of the forums, tips etc about this are for people with two full-time jobs they “work” simultaneously and not for people who legitimately go to their second job after finishing their first job. Good luck finding an employer who agrees to that.
        actually_a_dog 4y ago
        > Good luck finding an employer who agrees to that. Just look for the phrase "results only work environment."
  - actually_a_dog 4y ago
    Given the other comments of the person I replied to on this story, I don't think that's it.

kube-system 4y ago

In our case, management was quite unhappy, and I believe legal got involved. As you say, budget certainly has a role in determining the cross section of applicants you get, so… that’s just one more reason they’re my former employer.

Nextgrid 4y ago

> we’d have no agencies in our budget range Well you get what you pay for.