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It could also be to get the job. People often feel entitled but believe they are disadvantaged by some factor outside their control and use that to justify chea

It could also be to get the job. People often feel entitled but believe they are disadvantaged by some factor outside their control and use that to justify cheating, believing they will be able to do the job once they get there. Another version of this is people who apply for a job and actually are just posers who can't code at all. In both cases the employer failed to weed them out, even if the first version is a more overt kind of cheating, the outcome isn't much different than the second version

csunbird 4y ago
But, the thing is, the companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself at all (e.g. hiring someone that can write quicksort in 30 minutes). I presume, after passing the gatekeepers, most of the people can hold and do the job required from them at bare minimum. The fakers who can not code at all will be found, but someone with an average amount of talent should be able to collect the fat paycheck for several years, as most of the jobs do not require much anyways.
- version_five 4y ago
  > companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself Well, I guess this is really just a version of what I'm saying, about being feeling entitled but thwarted by forces outside one's control "I'm a good coder, why do the expect me to 'grind on leetcode' and know how to invert a binary tree" I agree largely, but if that's what they want and you don't want to do it, don't apply. Justifying cheating because of your perception isn't right
  - csunbird 4y ago
    I am pointing out the warped process of hiring within our industry, I am not justifying anything here. People are doing this, because probably, they think it does work. They probably passed some interviews like this before and landed on their job, which is just mundane configuration update tasks, or just making a new integration with a new data source, and realized that there isn't a connection on what is expected on the interviews and what is expected on their daily jobs. Maybe we should be looking at the core cause instead, the interview processes being not aligned with the daily jobs.

csunbird 4y ago

But, the thing is, the companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself at all (e.g. hiring someone that can write quicksort in 30 minutes). I presume, after passing the gatekeepers, most of the people can hold and do the job required from them at bare minimum. The fakers who can not code at all will be found, but someone with an average amount of talent should be able to collect the fat paycheck for several years, as most of the jobs do not require much anyways.

version_five 4y ago
> companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself Well, I guess this is really just a version of what I'm saying, about being feeling entitled but thwarted by forces outside one's control "I'm a good coder, why do the expect me to 'grind on leetcode' and know how to invert a binary tree" I agree largely, but if that's what they want and you don't want to do it, don't apply. Justifying cheating because of your perception isn't right
- csunbird 4y ago
  I am pointing out the warped process of hiring within our industry, I am not justifying anything here. People are doing this, because probably, they think it does work. They probably passed some interviews like this before and landed on their job, which is just mundane configuration update tasks, or just making a new integration with a new data source, and realized that there isn't a connection on what is expected on the interviews and what is expected on their daily jobs. Maybe we should be looking at the core cause instead, the interview processes being not aligned with the daily jobs.