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The FBI and other US federal agencies have attributed similar tactics to North Koreans looking to infiltrate particular industries [1-3]. [1] https://www.busin

The FBI and other US federal agencies have attributed similar tactics to North Koreans looking to infiltrate particular industries [1-3]. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korean-crypto-job-candidates-scammers-recruiters-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korean-crypto-job-cand... [2] https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/17/fbi_korea_freelancers/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/17/fbi_korea_freelancers... [3] https://www.wired.com/story/north-korean-it-scammer-alert/ https://www.wired.com/story/north-korean-it-scammer-alert/

bb88 4y ago
This shit has been going on for the last 5 years or more. I've seen it with non-asian candidates.
- fsckboy 4y ago
  China employs non-Chinese to track and interfere with dissidents and critics of China in the US https://news.artnet.com/art-world/us-blames-china-operatives-sculpture-burning-2166879 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/us-blames-china-operatives... and of course, plenty of Russians and Iranians are non-Asian (in appearance, Persia is in Asia of course)
  - aliqot 4y ago
    Russia is partly asia as well.
    - incompatible 4y ago
      Given the diversity and size of Asia, and the fact that it has the majority of the world's population, describing somebody as "Asian" is rather vague.
      - samcheng 4y ago
        It's just shorthand in an old-fashioned slightly racist/ignorant way - they can't say "Yellow" or "Oriental" any more, and want a word to parallel "White" and "Black." I look forward to a post-racial future...
    - givemeethekeys 4y ago
      I hear you. Generally when Americans say, "Asian", they mean, people from China, Japan, the Koreas, and to a lesser extent Filipino, Thai, Indo, Malay.. but mostly. Basically, if you have smaller eyes, then you are Asian. Otherwise, you are Russian or Indian .. etc, sort of like how some people consider people from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh as "brown". Continental unity doesn't mean much for Asia as much as it does for Europe or Africa. Good luck correcting the millions. Just roll with it. Concentrate on whats most important to you.
      - hackernewds 4y ago
        Just because it's accepted widely doesn't mean its right - else we would be wrongly using "its" forever like I've just done. Indians are completely and wholly Asian.
closeparen 4y ago
There is no reason an intelligence-gathering operation has to use someone who is totally incompetent at the job and comes across as suspicious.
- vintermann 4y ago
  Yes, there is. The reason is that they aren't superhuman, and aren't very popular anymore. This is something I've argued before: In the 40s, the US intelligence services could call up famous, brilliant people like Claude Shannon, ask him to fix some problem and never talk about the problem or his solution to it. If they tried that today, most would tell them to go fuck themselves. Now you may think things would be different in North Korea. In some ways they might be, but they obviously have a lot less top talent to commandeer in the first place, with their lack of modern technology and childhood nutrition. And even then, there are less confrontational ways to say no where open defiance is out of the picture. In North Korea, if you're very competent at anything, you might be quite careful in who you reveal that to in the first place.
  - hackernewds 4y ago
    Don't think I agree. You really just need 1 smart person per country to pass a meager interview process post learning the questions.
    - vintermann 4y ago
      You need to identify him first, and remember, from the position of NOT being able to answer those questions yourself. It is very hard to identify someone as smarter than you, if they try to avoid being identified as such. Even if we're talking about smartness in a very narrow technical sense.
      - closeparen 4y ago
        The intelligence community is a significant employer of tech talent, you'd think they could ask their own IT guys...
drewcoo 4y ago
The FBI seem to be able to infiltrate any group they like, so I'm sure they know the tricks.
- anonym29 4y ago
  Infiltrate? They're the ones starting the groups - the demand for terrorism outstrips supply these days. No terrorism = no reason to increase / not reduce budget allocated to FBI.
anonym29 4y ago
If the FBI is accusing others of doing it, they're probably doing the same, or a more sophisticated variant of the same.

bb88 4y ago

This shit has been going on for the last 5 years or more. I've seen it with non-asian candidates.

fsckboy 4y ago
China employs non-Chinese to track and interfere with dissidents and critics of China in the US https://news.artnet.com/art-world/us-blames-china-operatives-sculpture-burning-2166879 https://news.artnet.com/art-world/us-blames-china-operatives... and of course, plenty of Russians and Iranians are non-Asian (in appearance, Persia is in Asia of course)
- aliqot 4y ago
  Russia is partly asia as well.
  - incompatible 4y ago
    Given the diversity and size of Asia, and the fact that it has the majority of the world's population, describing somebody as "Asian" is rather vague.
    - samcheng 4y ago
      It's just shorthand in an old-fashioned slightly racist/ignorant way - they can't say "Yellow" or "Oriental" any more, and want a word to parallel "White" and "Black." I look forward to a post-racial future...
  - givemeethekeys 4y ago
    I hear you. Generally when Americans say, "Asian", they mean, people from China, Japan, the Koreas, and to a lesser extent Filipino, Thai, Indo, Malay.. but mostly. Basically, if you have smaller eyes, then you are Asian. Otherwise, you are Russian or Indian .. etc, sort of like how some people consider people from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh as "brown". Continental unity doesn't mean much for Asia as much as it does for Europe or Africa. Good luck correcting the millions. Just roll with it. Concentrate on whats most important to you.
    - hackernewds 4y ago
      Just because it's accepted widely doesn't mean its right - else we would be wrongly using "its" forever like I've just done. Indians are completely and wholly Asian.

closeparen 4y ago

There is no reason an intelligence-gathering operation has to use someone who is totally incompetent at the job and comes across as suspicious.

vintermann 4y ago
Yes, there is. The reason is that they aren't superhuman, and aren't very popular anymore. This is something I've argued before: In the 40s, the US intelligence services could call up famous, brilliant people like Claude Shannon, ask him to fix some problem and never talk about the problem or his solution to it. If they tried that today, most would tell them to go fuck themselves. Now you may think things would be different in North Korea. In some ways they might be, but they obviously have a lot less top talent to commandeer in the first place, with their lack of modern technology and childhood nutrition. And even then, there are less confrontational ways to say no where open defiance is out of the picture. In North Korea, if you're very competent at anything, you might be quite careful in who you reveal that to in the first place.
- hackernewds 4y ago
  Don't think I agree. You really just need 1 smart person per country to pass a meager interview process post learning the questions.
  - vintermann 4y ago
    You need to identify him first, and remember, from the position of NOT being able to answer those questions yourself. It is very hard to identify someone as smarter than you, if they try to avoid being identified as such. Even if we're talking about smartness in a very narrow technical sense.
    - closeparen 4y ago
      The intelligence community is a significant employer of tech talent, you'd think they could ask their own IT guys...

drewcoo 4y ago

The FBI seem to be able to infiltrate any group they like, so I'm sure they know the tricks.

anonym29 4y ago
Infiltrate? They're the ones starting the groups - the demand for terrorism outstrips supply these days. No terrorism = no reason to increase / not reduce budget allocated to FBI.

anonym29 4y ago

If the FBI is accusing others of doing it, they're probably doing the same, or a more sophisticated variant of the same.