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I imagine either: a) Get hired, collect a paycheck or two while doing the absolute bare minimum (filling out onboarding forms, etc - no real work) and then mov

I imagine either: a) Get hired, collect a paycheck or two while doing the absolute bare minimum (filling out onboarding forms, etc - no real work) and then move on to the next victim company. or b) Get hired with the goal of getting access to improperly secured company or user data. I imagine a) is vastly more common than b).

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
With b), they are actually likely to be the real thing; just treacherous.
- ByersReason 4y ago
  It seems based on the two times I saw it that it is mostly delusion. The idea appears to be that you can learn to do something complex on the job with a slight amount of experience and a lookup site, like stackoverflow or rose. I assume this would be sufficient if you assume really non-technical management, incapable of gauging progress.
version_five 4y ago
It could also be to get the job. People often feel entitled but believe they are disadvantaged by some factor outside their control and use that to justify cheating, believing they will be able to do the job once they get there. Another version of this is people who apply for a job and actually are just posers who can't code at all. In both cases the employer failed to weed them out, even if the first version is a more overt kind of cheating, the outcome isn't much different than the second version
- csunbird 4y ago
  But, the thing is, the companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself at all (e.g. hiring someone that can write quicksort in 30 minutes). I presume, after passing the gatekeepers, most of the people can hold and do the job required from them at bare minimum. The fakers who can not code at all will be found, but someone with an average amount of talent should be able to collect the fat paycheck for several years, as most of the jobs do not require much anyways.
  - version_five 4y ago
    > companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself Well, I guess this is really just a version of what I'm saying, about being feeling entitled but thwarted by forces outside one's control "I'm a good coder, why do the expect me to 'grind on leetcode' and know how to invert a binary tree" I agree largely, but if that's what they want and you don't want to do it, don't apply. Justifying cheating because of your perception isn't right
    - csunbird 4y ago
      I am pointing out the warped process of hiring within our industry, I am not justifying anything here. People are doing this, because probably, they think it does work. They probably passed some interviews like this before and landed on their job, which is just mundane configuration update tasks, or just making a new integration with a new data source, and realized that there isn't a connection on what is expected on the interviews and what is expected on their daily jobs. Maybe we should be looking at the core cause instead, the interview processes being not aligned with the daily jobs.
ThePadawan 4y ago
I strongly believe there is also a*) Get hired, collect paychecks until somebody notices, but then still stay employed because the KPI of a HR person in a fast-growing company is to fill seats, and firing people, no matter how terrible they are at their job, goes against that.

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago

With b), they are actually likely to be the real thing; just treacherous.

ByersReason 4y ago
It seems based on the two times I saw it that it is mostly delusion. The idea appears to be that you can learn to do something complex on the job with a slight amount of experience and a lookup site, like stackoverflow or rose. I assume this would be sufficient if you assume really non-technical management, incapable of gauging progress.

version_five 4y ago

It could also be to get the job. People often feel entitled but believe they are disadvantaged by some factor outside their control and use that to justify cheating, believing they will be able to do the job once they get there. Another version of this is people who apply for a job and actually are just posers who can't code at all. In both cases the employer failed to weed them out, even if the first version is a more overt kind of cheating, the outcome isn't much different than the second version

csunbird 4y ago
But, the thing is, the companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself at all (e.g. hiring someone that can write quicksort in 30 minutes). I presume, after passing the gatekeepers, most of the people can hold and do the job required from them at bare minimum. The fakers who can not code at all will be found, but someone with an average amount of talent should be able to collect the fat paycheck for several years, as most of the jobs do not require much anyways.
- version_five 4y ago
  > companies are putting down very sophisticated hiring methods that are not relevant to the job itself Well, I guess this is really just a version of what I'm saying, about being feeling entitled but thwarted by forces outside one's control "I'm a good coder, why do the expect me to 'grind on leetcode' and know how to invert a binary tree" I agree largely, but if that's what they want and you don't want to do it, don't apply. Justifying cheating because of your perception isn't right
  - csunbird 4y ago
    I am pointing out the warped process of hiring within our industry, I am not justifying anything here. People are doing this, because probably, they think it does work. They probably passed some interviews like this before and landed on their job, which is just mundane configuration update tasks, or just making a new integration with a new data source, and realized that there isn't a connection on what is expected on the interviews and what is expected on their daily jobs. Maybe we should be looking at the core cause instead, the interview processes being not aligned with the daily jobs.

ThePadawan 4y ago

I strongly believe there is also a*) Get hired, collect paychecks until somebody notices, but then still stay employed because the KPI of a HR person in a fast-growing company is to fill seats, and firing people, no matter how terrible they are at their job, goes against that.