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Russia claims that it cannot deliver gas due to sanctions-related parts and maintenance issues with the pumping equipment. It is likely that the Russian strateg

by nickff 4y ago

Russia claims that it cannot deliver gas due to sanctions-related parts and maintenance issues with the pumping equipment. It is likely that the Russian strategy is to drive down EU gas reserves to the point where the EU drops its sanctions in exchange for gas this winter.

tharkun__ 4y ago
Which is actually a "funny" game being played as well. Germany got Canada to send the turbine back anyway despite sanctions, creating an outcry in Canada actually but now Russia doesn't want it and it sits around in Germany gathering dust. And on top now Russia says all remaining turbines are having issues too and stopped even the one turbine that was still operational.
- eshch 4y ago
  Just to clarify for those who doesn't track this game. The part "despite the sanctions" is important here. The turbine was sent not back to Russia, but to Germany. And Russia tells there is no exemption to get this turbine to Russia, it was given only for Germany. Besides this turbine they refer to a few others not being fixed or sent for repair, so this one is even not the biggest issue, but for some reason it's commented the most.
  - rdtwo 4y ago
    Yeah the whole thing is a game. Canada sent it to Germany to spite both Russia and Germany and now it’s stuck. Taking the part from Germany would be considered a export and be subject to tax and other legal problems so now the turbine is stuck.
    - tharkun__ 4y ago
      That's the "funny game" part. Different people will choose to believe different sides or parts of the two sides. As reported in the west e.g. German media, it is stuck in Germany because Gazprom refused to to take it and provide the required documentation, while Gazprom says the opposite basically. Honestly I don't know what to believe for real because I can see both sides just playing word games. It could either be Germany ("the west") trying to make Putin look extra bad - also see the wording of "oh baaad ecological disaster burning all that gas" while they intended to mainly just burn it as well in winter, though of course burning it for staying warm is morally less bad than just burning it off, if you ask me - while looking for other sources of Gas anyway. On the other hand it is absolutely believable that Putin is inventing reasons that seem reasonable to the casual observer to stick it to the west, who are arming Ukraine - which he obviously doesn't like. Whether or not one agrees with one side or the other on whether it's a "special military operation" or an "attack" is irrelevant for that I believe.

by nickff 4y ago

tharkun__ 4y ago

Which is actually a "funny" game being played as well. Germany got Canada to send the turbine back anyway despite sanctions, creating an outcry in Canada actually but now Russia doesn't want it and it sits around in Germany gathering dust. And on top now Russia says all remaining turbines are having issues too and stopped even the one turbine that was still operational.

eshch 4y ago
Just to clarify for those who doesn't track this game. The part "despite the sanctions" is important here. The turbine was sent not back to Russia, but to Germany. And Russia tells there is no exemption to get this turbine to Russia, it was given only for Germany. Besides this turbine they refer to a few others not being fixed or sent for repair, so this one is even not the biggest issue, but for some reason it's commented the most.
- rdtwo 4y ago
  Yeah the whole thing is a game. Canada sent it to Germany to spite both Russia and Germany and now it’s stuck. Taking the part from Germany would be considered a export and be subject to tax and other legal problems so now the turbine is stuck.
  - tharkun__ 4y ago
    That's the "funny game" part. Different people will choose to believe different sides or parts of the two sides. As reported in the west e.g. German media, it is stuck in Germany because Gazprom refused to to take it and provide the required documentation, while Gazprom says the opposite basically. Honestly I don't know what to believe for real because I can see both sides just playing word games. It could either be Germany ("the west") trying to make Putin look extra bad - also see the wording of "oh baaad ecological disaster burning all that gas" while they intended to mainly just burn it as well in winter, though of course burning it for staying warm is morally less bad than just burning it off, if you ask me - while looking for other sources of Gas anyway. On the other hand it is absolutely believable that Putin is inventing reasons that seem reasonable to the casual observer to stick it to the west, who are arming Ukraine - which he obviously doesn't like. Whether or not one agrees with one side or the other on whether it's a "special military operation" or an "attack" is irrelevant for that I believe.