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It's done out of necessity, not to spite anyone or to hurt the whole world. The gas has to go somewhere, but if the regular receiver (EU) doesn't want it or de

It's done out of necessity, not to spite anyone or to hurt the whole world. The gas has to go somewhere, but if the regular receiver (EU) doesn't want it or denies the seller the ability to charge for it (sanctions) then you can't just keep compressing and piping it somewhere else forever.

barbazoo 4y ago
> Rystad said that Russia is burning gas that would otherwise have been exported to Europe through the pipeline, which usually accounts for more than a third of Europe’s gas imports but where flows have been throttled back to just 20% of normal levels. Doesn't seem to be a black and white situation given that the pipeline delivers gas at 20% its capacity. AFAIK it's Russia throttling on their end, is that not correct? Russia itself isn't even claiming it's payment related. Do you have different information?
- nickff 4y ago
  Russia claims that it cannot deliver gas due to sanctions-related parts and maintenance issues with the pumping equipment. It is likely that the Russian strategy is to drive down EU gas reserves to the point where the EU drops its sanctions in exchange for gas this winter.
  - tharkun__ 4y ago
    Which is actually a "funny" game being played as well. Germany got Canada to send the turbine back anyway despite sanctions, creating an outcry in Canada actually but now Russia doesn't want it and it sits around in Germany gathering dust. And on top now Russia says all remaining turbines are having issues too and stopped even the one turbine that was still operational.
    - eshch 4y ago
      Just to clarify for those who doesn't track this game. The part "despite the sanctions" is important here. The turbine was sent not back to Russia, but to Germany. And Russia tells there is no exemption to get this turbine to Russia, it was given only for Germany. Besides this turbine they refer to a few others not being fixed or sent for repair, so this one is even not the biggest issue, but for some reason it's commented the most.
      - rdtwo 4y ago
        Yeah the whole thing is a game. Canada sent it to Germany to spite both Russia and Germany and now it’s stuck. Taking the part from Germany would be considered a export and be subject to tax and other legal problems so now the turbine is stuck.
        tharkun__ 4y ago
        That's the "funny game" part. Different people will choose to believe different sides or parts of the two sides. As reported in the west e.g. German media, it is stuck in Germany because Gazprom refused to to take it and provide the required documentation, while Gazprom says the opposite basically. Honestly I don't know what to believe for real because I can see both sides just playing word games. It could either be Germany ("the west") trying to make Putin look extra bad - also see the wording of "oh baaad ecological disaster burning all that gas" while they intended to mainly just burn it as well in winter, though of course burning it for staying warm is morally less bad than just burning it off, if you ask me - while looking for other sources of Gas anyway. On the other hand it is absolutely believable that Putin is inventing reasons that seem reasonable to the casual observer to stick it to the west, who are arming Ukraine - which he obviously doesn't like. Whether or not one agrees with one side or the other on whether it's a "special military operation" or an "attack" is irrelevant for that I believe.
AnonymousPlanet 4y ago
None of this is the case. There are no sanctions in place for gas and the flow of money would proceed normally and has been so far. There are no technical reasons for the throttling, yet this is what the Russians claim.

barbazoo 4y ago

> Rystad said that Russia is burning gas that would otherwise have been exported to Europe through the pipeline, which usually accounts for more than a third of Europe’s gas imports but where flows have been throttled back to just 20% of normal levels. Doesn't seem to be a black and white situation given that the pipeline delivers gas at 20% its capacity. AFAIK it's Russia throttling on their end, is that not correct? Russia itself isn't even claiming it's payment related. Do you have different information?

nickff 4y ago
Russia claims that it cannot deliver gas due to sanctions-related parts and maintenance issues with the pumping equipment. It is likely that the Russian strategy is to drive down EU gas reserves to the point where the EU drops its sanctions in exchange for gas this winter.
- tharkun__ 4y ago
  Which is actually a "funny" game being played as well. Germany got Canada to send the turbine back anyway despite sanctions, creating an outcry in Canada actually but now Russia doesn't want it and it sits around in Germany gathering dust. And on top now Russia says all remaining turbines are having issues too and stopped even the one turbine that was still operational.
  - eshch 4y ago
    Just to clarify for those who doesn't track this game. The part "despite the sanctions" is important here. The turbine was sent not back to Russia, but to Germany. And Russia tells there is no exemption to get this turbine to Russia, it was given only for Germany. Besides this turbine they refer to a few others not being fixed or sent for repair, so this one is even not the biggest issue, but for some reason it's commented the most.
    - rdtwo 4y ago
      Yeah the whole thing is a game. Canada sent it to Germany to spite both Russia and Germany and now it’s stuck. Taking the part from Germany would be considered a export and be subject to tax and other legal problems so now the turbine is stuck.
      - tharkun__ 4y ago
        That's the "funny game" part. Different people will choose to believe different sides or parts of the two sides. As reported in the west e.g. German media, it is stuck in Germany because Gazprom refused to to take it and provide the required documentation, while Gazprom says the opposite basically. Honestly I don't know what to believe for real because I can see both sides just playing word games. It could either be Germany ("the west") trying to make Putin look extra bad - also see the wording of "oh baaad ecological disaster burning all that gas" while they intended to mainly just burn it as well in winter, though of course burning it for staying warm is morally less bad than just burning it off, if you ask me - while looking for other sources of Gas anyway. On the other hand it is absolutely believable that Putin is inventing reasons that seem reasonable to the casual observer to stick it to the west, who are arming Ukraine - which he obviously doesn't like. Whether or not one agrees with one side or the other on whether it's a "special military operation" or an "attack" is irrelevant for that I believe.

AnonymousPlanet 4y ago

None of this is the case. There are no sanctions in place for gas and the flow of money would proceed normally and has been so far. There are no technical reasons for the throttling, yet this is what the Russians claim.