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I actually paint and spend a lot of time looking at 'serious' paintings. AI hasn't even scratched the field to a trained eye. Doesn't mean I'm not excited thou

by boppo1 4y ago

I actually paint and spend a lot of time looking at 'serious' paintings. AI hasn't even scratched the field to a trained eye. Doesn't mean I'm not excited though. This kind-of feels like I'm watching the camera or printing press being invented. Everyone is comparing it to fine art, but I think ultimately it's going in a different and bigger direction.

aidenn0 4y ago
What I did was, IMO, a different and bigger direction to fine art. I mean I could tell that this wasn't an impressionistic painting just given that some areas of the grass were too detailed. It looks "just fine" though to untrained eyes, which are well over 90% of the population. 1. How long would it have taken me to get good enough at painting to exceed what I generated in under an hour? How many people have the motivation to spend that time? 2. How much would I have had to pay an art student to make a painting better than what I generated in under an hour? Ten million sub-par Monet knock-offs didn't exist, but could exist very shortly at minimal cost. Even if it never gets any better this is already potentially disruptive, and the models are getting better every month.
bottlepalm 4y ago
I've heard this a lot, luckily it's not that hard to test if you can really tell the difference. We need someone to create the 'AI Pepsi challenge' for artists to settle this.
- bottlepalm 4y ago
  That was fast, looks like artists can't tell, AI wins first prize in an art competition! https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwork-won-first-place-at-a-state-fair-fine-arts-competition-and-artists-are-pissed https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwo...
  - astrange 4y ago
    This was sort of misreported. He won in the "Digital Arts / Digitally-Manipulated Photography" category, not the entire contest, and it's fair to say AI fits in that category. This picture is also unusually coherent for Midjourney; if you just ask for a 16:9 image the sides tend to evolve into totally different pictures.
  - tsol 4y ago
    That was the State Fair fine arts competition.. I wouldn't exactly say you're about to fool the MOMA
    - bottlepalm 4y ago
      Ah ok and when they are fooled I wonder what rationalization you will fall back on next.
  - boppo1 4y ago
    Those are garbage western judges. Modernism really destroyed representational art in the west. Try a competition with Russians or Italians running the jury. Or ARC-recognized atelier instructors.
    - bottlepalm 4y ago
      Are they particularly good at telling the difference between wet neural nets and dry ones?

by boppo1 4y ago

aidenn0 4y ago

What I did was, IMO, a different and bigger direction to fine art. I mean I could tell that this wasn't an impressionistic painting just given that some areas of the grass were too detailed. It looks "just fine" though to untrained eyes, which are well over 90% of the population. 1. How long would it have taken me to get good enough at painting to exceed what I generated in under an hour? How many people have the motivation to spend that time? 2. How much would I have had to pay an art student to make a painting better than what I generated in under an hour? Ten million sub-par Monet knock-offs didn't exist, but could exist very shortly at minimal cost. Even if it never gets any better this is already potentially disruptive, and the models are getting better every month.

bottlepalm 4y ago

I've heard this a lot, luckily it's not that hard to test if you can really tell the difference. We need someone to create the 'AI Pepsi challenge' for artists to settle this.

bottlepalm 4y ago
That was fast, looks like artists can't tell, AI wins first prize in an art competition! https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwork-won-first-place-at-a-state-fair-fine-arts-competition-and-artists-are-pissed https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwo...
- astrange 4y ago
  This was sort of misreported. He won in the "Digital Arts / Digitally-Manipulated Photography" category, not the entire contest, and it's fair to say AI fits in that category. This picture is also unusually coherent for Midjourney; if you just ask for a 16:9 image the sides tend to evolve into totally different pictures.
- tsol 4y ago
  That was the State Fair fine arts competition.. I wouldn't exactly say you're about to fool the MOMA
  - bottlepalm 4y ago
    Ah ok and when they are fooled I wonder what rationalization you will fall back on next.
- boppo1 4y ago
  Those are garbage western judges. Modernism really destroyed representational art in the west. Try a competition with Russians or Italians running the jury. Or ARC-recognized atelier instructors.
  - bottlepalm 4y ago
    Are they particularly good at telling the difference between wet neural nets and dry ones?