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This is not hyperbole. a) A lot of gas is feedstock for chemical reactions generating products e.g. fertilizer. Russia is burning that gas and creating 100% po

by gvb 4y ago

This is not hyperbole. a) A lot of gas is feedstock for chemical reactions generating products e.g. fertilizer. Russia is burning that gas and creating 100% pollution rather than useful products. b) For all the Russian gas would have been burned in Europe, this effectively doubles the pollution because Europe has to replace the gas that Russia is flaring off from alternate sources.

Teever 4y ago
But isn't that fertilizer then packaged, shipped around the world, stored in warehouses, all of which produces more emissions, until it's finally put into the ground to grow crops which are harvested (again more emissions) which are then packaged, chipped around the world (again more emissions), until they feed mostly animals which produce methane, which are then transported, slaughtered, processed, packaged, distributed to grocery stores (starting to see the pattern here, more emissions) all so we can doot-doot-beep-beep around in our little air conditioned emissions machines to the store to pick up and cook and then throw like a 1/3 of the meal away because left-overs aren't as satisfying?
- codewench 4y ago
  Yes, but that is still going to happen. Only now we also have this "extra" amount being burned.
  - Teever 4y ago
    But is it? Europeans are talking about not being able to afford their heat this winter, they're talking about food shortages, people are going to have to make due with less.
    - KptMarchewa 4y ago
      Afford is something else than not doing anything at all. Govt will finance any real shortages. Food crisis did not materialize too despite widestream doomsaying.
      - Teever 4y ago
        Do you think that energy consumption in Europe this winter will be greater/equal/less than energy consumption last winter?
        KptMarchewa 4y ago
        Smaller, by 5-10%. Depends on how many nuclear reactors France will manage to reconnect to grid.
  - opensores 4y ago
    not really. Now there are fertilizer shortages, lower fertilizer usage due to price spikes and shortages. Russia is simply doing almost the best they can, which is flaring it rather than venting it. I was hoping they would plug a lot of wells back in February. But I suppose they didn't have crystal ball and had more priority things to deal with.

by gvb 4y ago

Teever 4y ago

But isn't that fertilizer then packaged, shipped around the world, stored in warehouses, all of which produces more emissions, until it's finally put into the ground to grow crops which are harvested (again more emissions) which are then packaged, chipped around the world (again more emissions), until they feed mostly animals which produce methane, which are then transported, slaughtered, processed, packaged, distributed to grocery stores (starting to see the pattern here, more emissions) all so we can doot-doot-beep-beep around in our little air conditioned emissions machines to the store to pick up and cook and then throw like a 1/3 of the meal away because left-overs aren't as satisfying?

codewench 4y ago
Yes, but that is still going to happen. Only now we also have this "extra" amount being burned.
- Teever 4y ago
  But is it? Europeans are talking about not being able to afford their heat this winter, they're talking about food shortages, people are going to have to make due with less.
  - KptMarchewa 4y ago
    Afford is something else than not doing anything at all. Govt will finance any real shortages. Food crisis did not materialize too despite widestream doomsaying.
    - Teever 4y ago
      Do you think that energy consumption in Europe this winter will be greater/equal/less than energy consumption last winter?
      - KptMarchewa 4y ago
        Smaller, by 5-10%. Depends on how many nuclear reactors France will manage to reconnect to grid.
- opensores 4y ago
  not really. Now there are fertilizer shortages, lower fertilizer usage due to price spikes and shortages. Russia is simply doing almost the best they can, which is flaring it rather than venting it. I was hoping they would plug a lot of wells back in February. But I suppose they didn't have crystal ball and had more priority things to deal with.