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Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people. Good riddance. Squatting the name "open" and trying to reap the benefits therein while being anything but.
by Blackthorn 4y ago
Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people. Good riddance. Squatting the name "open" and trying to reap the benefits therein while being anything but.
- ben_w 4y agoWhat benefits? The parent is non-profit. I'd argue they're imperfect, but they don't look like arses. Big gap between the two, too.
- aabhay 4y agoAre they non-profit? Does receiving $1b investment from a for-profit company still mean you can be non-profit?
- ben_w 4y agoYes to both questions. It's a (set of) specific thing(s) in company law. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/810861541 https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/810...
- scoopertrooper 4y agoThe parent may be non-profit, but OpenAI LP accepts investments and delivers returns to investors like any other regular company. The only difference is that they 'cap' the returns. However, the cap is negotiated with individuals investor and I haven't seen anything disclosing the cap except for the fact that in the opening round the cap was 100x the initial investment. 100x seems like a pretty generous cap to me.
- ben_w 4y agoI'm not a business investor so I can't really tell if x100 is "a lot" or not — Apple and Amazon share prices went up by x500 in the last 20 years, Tesla x200 in the last 10. But how rare is that?
- scoopertrooper 4y agoThey call them unicorns for a reason.
- ItsTooMuch 4y agoI thought their research actually is open, at least? That's still something...
- aabhay 4y agoTheir research is closed -- they don't release model weights, nor in most cases the training or model scripts. Certain things they release, just like any other for-profit research firm.
- skybrian 4y agoI don't see what it has to do with profit since this is pretty normal in academia too. Scientists will often publish papers, but not everything they do. "Open" is not well-defined.
- ItsTooMuch 4y agoAs the sibling says, in academia this is already more than open...
- Blackthorn 4y agoOpen means something. It is a, for lack of a better phrase, virtue signal. When you do that but don't actually represent the virtue you are trying to signal, people will understandably get pretty upset about that.
- ItsTooMuch 4y agoThe notion of open in software and in academia is different, that for sure. But does that make one or the other wrong? My friends doing physics or math don't understand the hate at all when I discuss it with them. From their point of view, you don't have to pay hundreds of dollars to read it = it's open. The research is there, code is left as exercise to the reader - that's also normal to them... And the notion of giving away free compute time is funny to them. Run your own cluster, they say. I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm a software person and open means to me what it means to you. I'd prefer if it was truly open by our definition. But I don't think we can bash the choice of the word so easily.
- JackFr 4y agoI've been complaining for years about WikiLeaks not being a wiki -- no one wants to listen....
- kylebenzle 4y ago
- TakeBlaster16 4y agoTo be fair, it started out as a wiki, and they just never changed the name. There's no CSS here but you can clearly see the MediaWiki template: https://web.archive.org/web/20090422103636/http://www.wikileaks.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20090422103636/http://www.wikile...
- dotancohen 4y agoWiki means "quick". Are you complaining about the speed of their publishing submitted information?
- JackFr 4y agoWiki means quick in Hawaiian. In English it refers to a website who’s content is user-editable.