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So, the claim is that Cloudflare is acting like the window glass shop that drums up business by running around smashing windows at night? That's quite the clai

So, the claim is that Cloudflare is acting like the window glass shop that drums up business by running around smashing windows at night? That's quite the claim. Here's a recent report on a DDoS-for-hire outfit that was criminally charged and convicted, related to downthem.org and ampnode.org https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/06/ddos-for-hire-service-provider-jailed https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/06/ddos-for-hire... Interestingly, the affidavit in that case does note that Cloudflare provided services for downthem.org and ampnode.org. However, this is a criminal indictment of the guilty party. I suppose the issue is, what kind of 'public reporting of criminal activity' is needed to provoke CF to drop services? In cases like this I also imagine CF cooperates with FBI investigations.

gpm 4y ago
> In cases like this I also imagine CF cooperates with FBI investigations. Seems to be the case, > The FBI’s Anchorage Field Office and its Los Angeles-based Cyber Initiative and Resource Fusion Unit investigated this matter. [...] Cloudflare, Inc. [...] assisted this investigation. https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/illinois-man-sentenced-2-years-federal-prison-operating-subscription-based-computer https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/illinois-man-sentenced-... Edit: And for anyone looking for the affadvit reference by parent, I believe they mean this: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.734708/gov.uscourts.cacd.734708.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.73...
creeble 4y ago
> So, the claim is that Cloudflare is acting like the window glass shop that drums up business by running around smashing windows at night? That's quite the claim. That is not my claim; they don't operate any DDoS-for-hire sites. My claim is that their "free speech, we won't shut them down" claims are utter hypocrisy when they do nothing to shut down their support for DDoS-for-hire sites, the ultimate (on the internet, anyway) anti-free speech perpetrators.

gpm 4y ago

> In cases like this I also imagine CF cooperates with FBI investigations. Seems to be the case, > The FBI’s Anchorage Field Office and its Los Angeles-based Cyber Initiative and Resource Fusion Unit investigated this matter. [...] Cloudflare, Inc. [...] assisted this investigation. https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/illinois-man-sentenced-2-years-federal-prison-operating-subscription-based-computer https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/illinois-man-sentenced-... Edit: And for anyone looking for the affadvit reference by parent, I believe they mean this: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.734708/gov.uscourts.cacd.734708.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.73...

creeble 4y ago

> So, the claim is that Cloudflare is acting like the window glass shop that drums up business by running around smashing windows at night? That's quite the claim. That is not my claim; they don't operate any DDoS-for-hire sites. My claim is that their "free speech, we won't shut them down" claims are utter hypocrisy when they do nothing to shut down their support for DDoS-for-hire sites, the ultimate (on the internet, anyway) anti-free speech perpetrators.