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Topics that cause disagreements not related to the job can be classified as personal and/or political. We should not take X as client, they are bad -> politica

by afiori 4y ago

Topics that cause disagreements not related to the job can be classified as personal and/or political. We should not take X as client, they are bad -> political We should not take X as client, my ex work there -> political We should not take X as client, they are unreliable with payments -> not political We should not take X as client, clients W, Y, and Z will drop us -> not political

kevinh 4y ago
Is a man talking about his wife political? Is a man talking about his husband political? Is a person transitioning political?
- afiori 4y ago
  Talking about eating apples could be political in the definition I gave. I don't think it is a good idea but it is a solution to the question of who get to decide what is political and what it not: everything not job related is political.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Yes, yes, yes. I would be perfectly content to never hearing about any co-workers personal lives, wives, husbands, what ball game they went to, how their kids are the best thing every, etc etc etc
foldr 4y ago
Those principles could lead to taking on some really awful clients, though. Think of e.g. companies like IBM that provided support to organizations engaged in genocide.
pjc50 4y ago
> We should not take X as client, clients W, Y, and Z will drop us -> not political "Why would they drop us?" "I'm sorry Dave, corporate code forbids me from discussing that"
- afiori 4y ago
  Again, I am not advocating for anyone to follow this "solution" but you can discuss how Y does not want to be associated with X without discussing whether they are right or not to do so.
killyourcar 4y ago
I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I don't think it is, it's just... Who I am. People who say no politics at work generally have never had to think about how some identities are perceived as innately political.
- Banana699 4y ago
  >I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? Yes, don't use the bathroom at office. >I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Absolutely, it is the very visible agenda of a very loud political machine. It's nothing but political. It can be an example of "political, n." in a dictionary. That said, you don't need to be fired over everything political you do, just like discussing a little politics with your office colleagues once in a while is not necessarily an offence. Just as long as you stay respectful and polite when someone says no, they won't use your nonsense pronouns, very fine. >Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I doubt someone actually said that unironically, you're very likely deleting tons of context. But the long and short of it is that no identity is political unless you make it, given the stereotypical "queer" person, I absolutely empathize with whoever said that statement to you, but "queerness", whatever that may be, itself is not necessarily making you political at work, it's just the kinds of people attracted to it. In theory, every ideology of every shape and color and identity can coexist under temporary and concrete banners like "make money".
  - hooverd 4y ago
    > no identity is political unless you make it > 'using they/them pronouns' is political is the implication here that normative is non-political and non-normative is political? another example, would it be political to bring your non-heterosexual spouse to a company function where other employees may bring their spouses? *fixed formatting
    - Banana699 4y ago

by afiori 4y ago

kevinh 4y ago

Is a man talking about his wife political? Is a man talking about his husband political? Is a person transitioning political?

afiori 4y ago
Talking about eating apples could be political in the definition I gave. I don't think it is a good idea but it is a solution to the question of who get to decide what is political and what it not: everything not job related is political.
phpisthebest 4y ago
Yes, yes, yes. I would be perfectly content to never hearing about any co-workers personal lives, wives, husbands, what ball game they went to, how their kids are the best thing every, etc etc etc

foldr 4y ago

Those principles could lead to taking on some really awful clients, though. Think of e.g. companies like IBM that provided support to organizations engaged in genocide.

pjc50 4y ago

> We should not take X as client, clients W, Y, and Z will drop us -> not political "Why would they drop us?" "I'm sorry Dave, corporate code forbids me from discussing that"

afiori 4y ago
Again, I am not advocating for anyone to follow this "solution" but you can discuss how Y does not want to be associated with X without discussing whether they are right or not to do so.

killyourcar 4y ago

I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I don't think it is, it's just... Who I am. People who say no politics at work generally have never had to think about how some identities are perceived as innately political.

Banana699 4y ago
>I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? Yes, don't use the bathroom at office. >I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Absolutely, it is the very visible agenda of a very loud political machine. It's nothing but political. It can be an example of "political, n." in a dictionary. That said, you don't need to be fired over everything political you do, just like discussing a little politics with your office colleagues once in a while is not necessarily an offence. Just as long as you stay respectful and polite when someone says no, they won't use your nonsense pronouns, very fine. >Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I doubt someone actually said that unironically, you're very likely deleting tons of context. But the long and short of it is that no identity is political unless you make it, given the stereotypical "queer" person, I absolutely empathize with whoever said that statement to you, but "queerness", whatever that may be, itself is not necessarily making you political at work, it's just the kinds of people attracted to it. In theory, every ideology of every shape and color and identity can coexist under temporary and concrete banners like "make money".
- hooverd 4y ago
  > no identity is political unless you make it > 'using they/them pronouns' is political is the implication here that normative is non-political and non-normative is political? another example, would it be political to bring your non-heterosexual spouse to a company function where other employees may bring their spouses? *fixed formatting
  - Banana699 4y ago