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Keffals brags about sending hrt to minors without their parent's knowledge.

by squabbles 4y ago

a_shovel 4y ago
Do you think that supports the claims made above?
- beneboi 4y ago
  yes, ofcourse
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
FrecklySunbeam 4y ago
- throwrqX 4y ago
  That may be your opinion but lots of parents would not agree with it.
  - ygjb 4y ago
    Yeah, but not all parents have the best interests of their children at heart. This is generally recognized, and the reason why there is increasing clarification of the boundaries between the rights of parents and the rights of children. It's the reason that forced marriage and child brides have been outlawed in many countries. It's also the reason why child labour and child welfare, and protective services for children exist. Should someone be providing HRT to children? Generally no. Has the child been prescribed that medication, and the parents are refusing, unable to, or actively preventing the child from getting that medication? Absolutely! If this was in relation to insulin, antibiotics, or any other generally accepted medical prescription, the individual would be lauded. Because of transphobia and ignorance, sites like kiwifarms are being targetted by a bunch of relentless shitweasels who are hiding behind Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Expression, something which Cloudflare is under absolutely no legal requirement to provide. I don't want tech companies to become the arbiters of free speech, but I also don't think companies are obligated to provide services to a website owned by a person who gleefully celebrated the suicide of a victim of harassment. Now that I am not an employee there anymore, one thing I am absolutely thrilled to say is that the Fastly approach with a Good Neighbour policy is awesome, and that alone (among many awesome things over the 5 years I was there) makes it a better company to work for than CloudFlare.
    - throwrqX 4y ago
      There's nothing in the original comment to suggest parents are ignoring the orders of a doctor.
      - ygjb 4y ago
        Do you actually have something to add to the conversation? Your comments haven't particularly meaningful or insightful, so that's a genuine question. There isn't a complete picture here. In this particular case, Keffals shared that she was supporting alternate paths to get HRT, and providing support for folks who were legally blocked from receiving gender affirming care due to laws passed by a government largely captured by right wing politicians. Given the complexity of pursuing HRT, it's not unreasonable to reach the conclusion that a child in those circumstances being denied care is largely related to a lack of parental support, or from being actively prevented from getting treatment that doctors were clearly providing (since the government had to ban medical treatment in order to stop it).
        throwrqX 4y ago
        What do I have to add? I am giving the opposing opinion here which from anecdotal experience is also the opinion of almost every parent I've met (n~=40) in contrast to the opinions of some people trying to give the impression that it's normal for children to be getting drugs from people they know online because that's what they want. If the government bans some form of medical treatment and Keffals is trying to bypass this ban then this obviously would raise questions of legality.
    - sieabahlpark 4y ago
- rndgermandude 4y ago
  Seriously?
- sdfasdfasdfsa 4y ago
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Somebody who isn't a doctor, giving medications to a child without their parent's knowledge or permission? That's surely in violation of the law.
  - a_shovel 4y ago
    What law? She's not giving anyone hormones, you know. She shares information about informed consent clinics, the effects of hormones, and places to buy safe supplies.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      >> Keffals brags about sending hrt to minors without their parent's knowledge. > There is nothing wrong with that This is the claim and response I am responding to.
    - sieabahlpark 4y ago
- sieabahlpark 4y ago
nervlord 4y ago

Keffals brags about sending hrt to minors without their parent's knowledge.

a_shovel 4y ago

Do you think that supports the claims made above?

beneboi 4y ago
yes, ofcourse
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

FrecklySunbeam 4y ago

throwrqX 4y ago
That may be your opinion but lots of parents would not agree with it.
- ygjb 4y ago
  Yeah, but not all parents have the best interests of their children at heart. This is generally recognized, and the reason why there is increasing clarification of the boundaries between the rights of parents and the rights of children. It's the reason that forced marriage and child brides have been outlawed in many countries. It's also the reason why child labour and child welfare, and protective services for children exist. Should someone be providing HRT to children? Generally no. Has the child been prescribed that medication, and the parents are refusing, unable to, or actively preventing the child from getting that medication? Absolutely! If this was in relation to insulin, antibiotics, or any other generally accepted medical prescription, the individual would be lauded. Because of transphobia and ignorance, sites like kiwifarms are being targetted by a bunch of relentless shitweasels who are hiding behind Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Expression, something which Cloudflare is under absolutely no legal requirement to provide. I don't want tech companies to become the arbiters of free speech, but I also don't think companies are obligated to provide services to a website owned by a person who gleefully celebrated the suicide of a victim of harassment. Now that I am not an employee there anymore, one thing I am absolutely thrilled to say is that the Fastly approach with a Good Neighbour policy is awesome, and that alone (among many awesome things over the 5 years I was there) makes it a better company to work for than CloudFlare.
  - throwrqX 4y ago
    There's nothing in the original comment to suggest parents are ignoring the orders of a doctor.
    - ygjb 4y ago
      Do you actually have something to add to the conversation? Your comments haven't particularly meaningful or insightful, so that's a genuine question. There isn't a complete picture here. In this particular case, Keffals shared that she was supporting alternate paths to get HRT, and providing support for folks who were legally blocked from receiving gender affirming care due to laws passed by a government largely captured by right wing politicians. Given the complexity of pursuing HRT, it's not unreasonable to reach the conclusion that a child in those circumstances being denied care is largely related to a lack of parental support, or from being actively prevented from getting treatment that doctors were clearly providing (since the government had to ban medical treatment in order to stop it).
      - throwrqX 4y ago
        What do I have to add? I am giving the opposing opinion here which from anecdotal experience is also the opinion of almost every parent I've met (n~=40) in contrast to the opinions of some people trying to give the impression that it's normal for children to be getting drugs from people they know online because that's what they want. If the government bans some form of medical treatment and Keffals is trying to bypass this ban then this obviously would raise questions of legality.
  - sieabahlpark 4y ago
rndgermandude 4y ago
Seriously?
sdfasdfasdfsa 4y ago
MichaelCollins 4y ago
Somebody who isn't a doctor, giving medications to a child without their parent's knowledge or permission? That's surely in violation of the law.
- a_shovel 4y ago
  What law? She's not giving anyone hormones, you know. She shares information about informed consent clinics, the effects of hormones, and places to buy safe supplies.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    >> Keffals brags about sending hrt to minors without their parent's knowledge. > There is nothing wrong with that This is the claim and response I am responding to.
  - sieabahlpark 4y ago
sieabahlpark 4y ago

nervlord 4y ago