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Um, I really hope I’m incorrect on this but is the green bit that has flooded fertile farmland next to a river? I’m asking if a famine will be a down stream res

Um, I really hope I’m incorrect on this but is the green bit that has flooded fertile farmland next to a river? I’m asking if a famine will be a down stream result of this catastrophe.

erellsworth 4y ago
I don't know about that image in particular, but most likely the answer is yes. https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/ https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/
- pvaldes 4y ago
  At short term, yes, at least until a next rice harvest. Could be alleviated in part if fish invade the areas and start reproducing massively; freshwater ecosystems can be very productive. I don't know the area, but if the climate allows it, their best bet could be to rely on edible aquatic crops that typically grow very fast. Lotus rhizomes are edible, same as Typha stems or the seeds rich on starch of Trapa bicornis that taste like sweet chestnuts. Must be cooked to remove their toxins (and eventual parasites) before eaten.
kube-system 4y ago
> turning what were once agricultural fields into a giant inland lake From the article
hedora 4y ago
You're correct: https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/ https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/ tl;dr: This will lead to rice and cotton shortages, compounding this year's wheat shortages (climate, Putin) and olive / sunflower oil shortages (Spain's megadrought).
- pvaldes 4y ago
  Spains drought [1], fueled in part by more than 50 criminal mega-wildfires. What happened in Spain in 2022 is not climate change, is environmental terrorism. Last week a woman was caught starting a wildfire in Galicia by a police after seven wildfires occur in the same area. Environmental terrorism... and maybe even economic sabotage. If there is a team of puppets, there must be a puppeteer somewhere. Right?. We had a interesting high number of events targeting tourism. More than 6000 wildfires with many very big wildfires in categories rarely seen before, several train sabotages (optic fiber stolen for no reason, and a train exiting from a tunnel directly into a wildfire) in a country with an economy based in tourism. A high number of wildfires also in France, Portugal and Romania but Spain suffered the bulk of the attacks. [1] I don't think that the mega prefix is justified still
  - kranke155 4y ago
    Incendiaries or people with mental illness that leads them to do this have always existed. What makes you think that this year something unusual happened? Most likely the number of people doing this is the same as ever, but droughts have made their consequences more extreme.
tenpies 4y ago
> ’m asking if a famine will be a down stream result of this catastrophe. There was already a secular trend of Pakistan having to import ever-larger amounts of food[1]. Unfortunately the minute Putin invaded Ukraine, we saw one of the world's breadbaskets invade another of the world's breadbaskets and the West lost its mind with sanctions. The EU's reaction is "we'll do whatever it takes" which is a nice way of saying "we'll out-bid everyone else for food and energy". From that moment, most of Africa and many Asian countries were condemned by the West to face famines - just so Europe wouldn't face the total consequences of its own sanctions. Pakistan is one of the countries that will be out-bid by the EU. Pakistan was already expected to raise imports before this flood[2]. I cannot imagine how bad it's going to be now that they have the confluence of terrible flooding and, Putin and the EU exporting famine to much of the world. Everyone that can should consider donating to Pakistani aid. --- [1] https://www.dawn.com/news/1630378 https://www.dawn.com/news/1630378 [2] https://www.world-grain.com/articles/17140-pakistan-expected-to-raise-wheat-imports https://www.world-grain.com/articles/17140-pakistan-expected...
- jotm 4y ago
  Fuck Russia, but Pakistan does not have sanctions on it. And the EU won't do anything to them if they keep importing from Russia. Perhaps use "US" instead of "EU", it works better on the morons believing Russian garbage.
  - netsharc 4y ago
    The poorer countries of the world have taken a "Well... we have nothing to say" stance about the invasion because that's the issue: they're poor. What if they pick the losing side and get punished to hunger and economic freezing-out by the winner(s)? Geopolitically, they were probably not sure if China was going to throw its weight behind Putin - imagine what China would be doing/saying if Putin successfully occupied Ukraine and controlled its food output - sure today we can say "That was never going to happen", but at the end of February, many governments of the world didn't know that. In any case, do you think if Pakistan said "We join the EU/US in sanctioning Russia", they'd be getting extra help from the EU/US at the moment? I like the EU but they seem to have been running around in internal panic themselves, they're not going to give a crap about Pakistan...

Um, I really hope I’m incorrect on this but is the green bit that has flooded fertile farmland next to a river? I’m asking if a famine will be a down stream result of this catastrophe.

erellsworth 4y ago

I don't know about that image in particular, but most likely the answer is yes. https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/ https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/

pvaldes 4y ago
At short term, yes, at least until a next rice harvest. Could be alleviated in part if fish invade the areas and start reproducing massively; freshwater ecosystems can be very productive. I don't know the area, but if the climate allows it, their best bet could be to rely on edible aquatic crops that typically grow very fast. Lotus rhizomes are edible, same as Typha stems or the seeds rich on starch of Trapa bicornis that taste like sweet chestnuts. Must be cooked to remove their toxins (and eventual parasites) before eaten.

kube-system 4y ago

> turning what were once agricultural fields into a giant inland lake From the article

hedora 4y ago

You're correct: https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/ https://time.com/6209889/pakistan-food-floods/ tl;dr: This will lead to rice and cotton shortages, compounding this year's wheat shortages (climate, Putin) and olive / sunflower oil shortages (Spain's megadrought).

pvaldes 4y ago
Spains drought [1], fueled in part by more than 50 criminal mega-wildfires. What happened in Spain in 2022 is not climate change, is environmental terrorism. Last week a woman was caught starting a wildfire in Galicia by a police after seven wildfires occur in the same area. Environmental terrorism... and maybe even economic sabotage. If there is a team of puppets, there must be a puppeteer somewhere. Right?. We had a interesting high number of events targeting tourism. More than 6000 wildfires with many very big wildfires in categories rarely seen before, several train sabotages (optic fiber stolen for no reason, and a train exiting from a tunnel directly into a wildfire) in a country with an economy based in tourism. A high number of wildfires also in France, Portugal and Romania but Spain suffered the bulk of the attacks. [1] I don't think that the mega prefix is justified still
- kranke155 4y ago
  Incendiaries or people with mental illness that leads them to do this have always existed. What makes you think that this year something unusual happened? Most likely the number of people doing this is the same as ever, but droughts have made their consequences more extreme.

tenpies 4y ago

> ’m asking if a famine will be a down stream result of this catastrophe. There was already a secular trend of Pakistan having to import ever-larger amounts of food[1]. Unfortunately the minute Putin invaded Ukraine, we saw one of the world's breadbaskets invade another of the world's breadbaskets and the West lost its mind with sanctions. The EU's reaction is "we'll do whatever it takes" which is a nice way of saying "we'll out-bid everyone else for food and energy". From that moment, most of Africa and many Asian countries were condemned by the West to face famines - just so Europe wouldn't face the total consequences of its own sanctions. Pakistan is one of the countries that will be out-bid by the EU. Pakistan was already expected to raise imports before this flood[2]. I cannot imagine how bad it's going to be now that they have the confluence of terrible flooding and, Putin and the EU exporting famine to much of the world. Everyone that can should consider donating to Pakistani aid. --- [1] https://www.dawn.com/news/1630378 https://www.dawn.com/news/1630378 [2] https://www.world-grain.com/articles/17140-pakistan-expected-to-raise-wheat-imports https://www.world-grain.com/articles/17140-pakistan-expected...

jotm 4y ago
Fuck Russia, but Pakistan does not have sanctions on it. And the EU won't do anything to them if they keep importing from Russia. Perhaps use "US" instead of "EU", it works better on the morons believing Russian garbage.
- netsharc 4y ago
  The poorer countries of the world have taken a "Well... we have nothing to say" stance about the invasion because that's the issue: they're poor. What if they pick the losing side and get punished to hunger and economic freezing-out by the winner(s)? Geopolitically, they were probably not sure if China was going to throw its weight behind Putin - imagine what China would be doing/saying if Putin successfully occupied Ukraine and controlled its food output - sure today we can say "That was never going to happen", but at the end of February, many governments of the world didn't know that. In any case, do you think if Pakistan said "We join the EU/US in sanctioning Russia", they'd be getting extra help from the EU/US at the moment? I like the EU but they seem to have been running around in internal panic themselves, they're not going to give a crap about Pakistan...