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By not working 24 hour shifts when asked, workers "restrict or limit output." Surely that can't be the intent of those words. They're about trying to prohibit

By not working 24 hour shifts when asked, workers "restrict or limit output." Surely that can't be the intent of those words. They're about trying to prohibit slowdowns, which are a sort of soft strike. https://archive.iww.org/about/solidarityunionism/directaction/1/ https://archive.iww.org/about/solidarityunionism/directactio...

lesuorac 4y ago
Stick with the example on hand and not make stuff up about 24h shifts. > Surely that can't be the intent of those words. Then why is the labor board ruling the way they are? The workers used to work OT and then none of them do. That certainly causes a reduction in output. I could see it not being concerted if this was over the corse of a month (or maybe a week) where they all independent arrived at the conclusion they didn't want to work OT but everybody on the same day (ignoring the alleged letter) is a forgone conclusion. This would be like enforcing a dress code the day after people wear a pro-union shirt into the factory. Sure, the dress code doesn't explicitly say it's to stop unionization but the fact that it occurs the day after makes it a forgone conclusion. > They're about trying to prohibit slowdowns, which are a sort of soft strike. Interesting word (strike) to end the sentence with. However, it doesn't matter what the layman's term is, Strike has a legal definition and that's all that matters. Is there a concerted activity to reduce output? Yes, collectively none of the workers are willing to do OT anymore starting the same day.
- deadbeeves 4y ago
  If the phrase "reduce output" includes being asked to work overtime and refusing to do so, then it also includes being asked to work 24-hour shifts and refusing to do so, since a 24-hour shift is overtime (assuming the normal shift is less than 24 hours). Then if to "reduce output" means to strike, an employer can ask its employees to work shifts of arbitrary lengths and if they refuse they can be considered to be striking. If this is not the case, then please explain where the cutoff point is.
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    The cutoff point is when it's a "concerted activity on the part of employees designed to restrict or limit output". It's pretty simple if you just read any of the linked documentation.
    - deadbeeves 4y ago
      Okay, so if the employer asks its employees to work 24-hour shifts instead of the normal 8 hours and they agree amongst themselves to refuse, is that a strike or not?

lesuorac 4y ago

Stick with the example on hand and not make stuff up about 24h shifts. > Surely that can't be the intent of those words. Then why is the labor board ruling the way they are? The workers used to work OT and then none of them do. That certainly causes a reduction in output. I could see it not being concerted if this was over the corse of a month (or maybe a week) where they all independent arrived at the conclusion they didn't want to work OT but everybody on the same day (ignoring the alleged letter) is a forgone conclusion. This would be like enforcing a dress code the day after people wear a pro-union shirt into the factory. Sure, the dress code doesn't explicitly say it's to stop unionization but the fact that it occurs the day after makes it a forgone conclusion. > They're about trying to prohibit slowdowns, which are a sort of soft strike. Interesting word (strike) to end the sentence with. However, it doesn't matter what the layman's term is, Strike has a legal definition and that's all that matters. Is there a concerted activity to reduce output? Yes, collectively none of the workers are willing to do OT anymore starting the same day.

deadbeeves 4y ago
If the phrase "reduce output" includes being asked to work overtime and refusing to do so, then it also includes being asked to work 24-hour shifts and refusing to do so, since a 24-hour shift is overtime (assuming the normal shift is less than 24 hours). Then if to "reduce output" means to strike, an employer can ask its employees to work shifts of arbitrary lengths and if they refuse they can be considered to be striking. If this is not the case, then please explain where the cutoff point is.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  The cutoff point is when it's a "concerted activity on the part of employees designed to restrict or limit output". It's pretty simple if you just read any of the linked documentation.
  - deadbeeves 4y ago
    Okay, so if the employer asks its employees to work 24-hour shifts instead of the normal 8 hours and they agree amongst themselves to refuse, is that a strike or not?