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>Everyone makes mistakes. Fully agree, which is why I said the same thing. :) >Granted, this is probably in response to some legal action either in progress o

by acoard 4y ago

>Everyone makes mistakes. Fully agree, which is why I said the same thing. :) >Granted, this is probably in response to some legal action either in progress or already settled, but what more do you want from the guy? As I said in my post, a stated awareness that he was used in a cyber blackmail scheme, and at least some nominal promise to try and be aware of that in the future. The difference here is between "I made an honest mistake" and "I was taken advantage of and used unwittingly in a scheme." I'm not interested in him self-flagellating and begging for forgiveness, as my concern is totally forward-looking. I believe this type of problem will come again, of people trying to unwittingly use his reputation to push certain agendas. If he isn't aware of that dimension of the problem then it's likely it will re-occur. That being said, your point about this post made in a legal context is totally fair and had slipped my mind. I can imagine any apology/statement/etc getting neutered by lawyers for perfectly rational reasons.

oaiey 4y ago
Saying that he was part of the blackmail scheme would make him maybe target of legal actions from Ubiquiti. So .. that you will not get. He has to do the same company-lingo like they all do after screwups.
- tssva 4y ago
  He was/is the target of legal action from Ubiquiti. I assume this statement is part of some settlement he has reached with them regarding the legal action.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago
    Complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.52... I remember at the time we were discussing the misreporting I noted that Krebs’ lack of retraction could come back and bite him. It’s interesting to see it now. It’s also interesting to note that it is referenced in point 11 of the lawsuit. A little remorse goes a long way, and pride can be expensive.
PuppyTailWags 4y ago
I think it's obvious he's going to do something to avoid this happening again but also I highly doubt anything would be disclosed publicly about this. This isn't exactly a guy with a track record of not learning.
- acoard 4y ago
  > I think it's obvious he's going to do something to avoid this happening again but also I highly doubt anything would be disclosed publicly about this. This isn't exactly a guy with a track record of not learning. Sure, but part of a "mea culpa" is saying what's important to be said. Otherwise why say anything at all? Maybe he doesn't get it? Maybe he sees the facts differently? Generally I agree with you, and think he's a smart guy who is likely aware of this. But by not touching on those lessons, he only weakens his message.
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  - rovr138 4y ago
    This is a a publishing retraction. This isn’t a postmortem from a technical issue. He can’t say it won’t happen again. Like stated above, they’ll try to keep abusing him. He can’t say what his process is or how it will change, because that leaves it open to exploit. mea culpa is just that, admitting fault. He did. He also took action and described it there. There is no root cause analysis, corrective actions, and preventive steps. It can happen again and statistically, if it goes long enough, we can say it will happen again.
  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    Frankly, he is retracting something because is wrong and he is broadcasting that retraction on the largest platform he has access to: his platform. He has sincerely apologized to and made clear who he has harmed: Ubiquiti. So like, what do you want? What more should he say? You say "maybe he sees the facts differently" as if we as anonymous internet crowds are entitled to a post-mortem on his psychological state. This strikes me as distinctly parasocial.
renewiltord 4y ago
In the counterfactual world where he says that, the top comment on HN would have been that he's trying to weasel out of personal responsibility. Besides, let's be honest: he's going to be heavily policed by the Internet on any statement that is similar to the ones on Ubiquiti. I think he will be quite aware. In fact, here's an example of exactly what you're saying being considered a convenient excuse: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32664689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32664689
JackFr 4y ago
As part of a post mortem you should ask "People will remain fallible; How can we change the process so this is unlikely to happen in the future?" And in general one likes to see that kind of transparency ... but if the the problem is someone snuck through our defenses, often we don't want want to publicize the changes made because it might help the next person. Although a "Steps will be taken." might be nice.

by acoard 4y ago

oaiey 4y ago

Saying that he was part of the blackmail scheme would make him maybe target of legal actions from Ubiquiti. So .. that you will not get. He has to do the same company-lingo like they all do after screwups.

tssva 4y ago
He was/is the target of legal action from Ubiquiti. I assume this statement is part of some settlement he has reached with them regarding the legal action.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago
  Complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.52... I remember at the time we were discussing the misreporting I noted that Krebs’ lack of retraction could come back and bite him. It’s interesting to see it now. It’s also interesting to note that it is referenced in point 11 of the lawsuit. A little remorse goes a long way, and pride can be expensive.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago

I think it's obvious he's going to do something to avoid this happening again but also I highly doubt anything would be disclosed publicly about this. This isn't exactly a guy with a track record of not learning.

acoard 4y ago
> I think it's obvious he's going to do something to avoid this happening again but also I highly doubt anything would be disclosed publicly about this. This isn't exactly a guy with a track record of not learning. Sure, but part of a "mea culpa" is saying what's important to be said. Otherwise why say anything at all? Maybe he doesn't get it? Maybe he sees the facts differently? Generally I agree with you, and think he's a smart guy who is likely aware of this. But by not touching on those lessons, he only weakens his message.
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- rovr138 4y ago
  This is a a publishing retraction. This isn’t a postmortem from a technical issue. He can’t say it won’t happen again. Like stated above, they’ll try to keep abusing him. He can’t say what his process is or how it will change, because that leaves it open to exploit. mea culpa is just that, admitting fault. He did. He also took action and described it there. There is no root cause analysis, corrective actions, and preventive steps. It can happen again and statistically, if it goes long enough, we can say it will happen again.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  Frankly, he is retracting something because is wrong and he is broadcasting that retraction on the largest platform he has access to: his platform. He has sincerely apologized to and made clear who he has harmed: Ubiquiti. So like, what do you want? What more should he say? You say "maybe he sees the facts differently" as if we as anonymous internet crowds are entitled to a post-mortem on his psychological state. This strikes me as distinctly parasocial.

renewiltord 4y ago

In the counterfactual world where he says that, the top comment on HN would have been that he's trying to weasel out of personal responsibility. Besides, let's be honest: he's going to be heavily policed by the Internet on any statement that is similar to the ones on Ubiquiti. I think he will be quite aware. In fact, here's an example of exactly what you're saying being considered a convenient excuse: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32664689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32664689

JackFr 4y ago

As part of a post mortem you should ask "People will remain fallible; How can we change the process so this is unlikely to happen in the future?" And in general one likes to see that kind of transparency ... but if the the problem is someone snuck through our defenses, often we don't want want to publicize the changes made because it might help the next person. Although a "Steps will be taken." might be nice.