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How is it remotely fair to compare a highly developed first world country with third world energy usage?

lukeschlather 4y ago
I feel like you are presuming some argument exists when it is a straightforward statement of fact. It's an interesting comparison, and I'm not sure how it could be described as "unfair."
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Aperocky 4y ago
facts are neither fair or unfair, they just is. Just some of them might be interesting, others not, this one certainly count as interesting to me.
throw827474737 4y ago
"Fair"? Shame!
lijogdfljk 4y ago
Seems entirely fair, imo. If, for example only, this was a significant contributor to global warming and impending doom, does it matter that our first world comforts are to blame? We don't get special exception just because we're used to a certain standard of living. I desperately hope we don't need to abandon first world comforts. And i really doubt we would need to. However if, for sake of argument, that was the only solution - our answer should be to acknowledge the burden and take action. This is all for sake of illustration though. Just that your comment seemed to imply because our first world comforts use more energy that it was somehow unfair to question the impact of said comforts.
- homeland221 4y ago
  The only option is to reduce population as what Thanos and Dan Brown addressed in their works. Less human less pollutions and energy consumptions. Anything else is just distractions.
  - oliwarner 4y ago
    One of the more defeatist comments I've seen in a while. Yes, there's no point chasing efficiency or greener generation, let's just bump off half the population. But if murder is the only solution, you'd have to murder 10 Nigerians to save the same power consumption as an American; you'd do a lot less murder by focussing your attention.
    - solarhoma 4y ago
      Nigerian per capita gdp was only $2300. The US has $69,000 per capita gdp. The world would be better off letting the Nigerians go.
jackbravo 4y ago
I hope that in the future, the most advanced nations will be the ones leading the way on energy consumption, maybe because of technology, better regulation, and other factors.
baq 4y ago
energy usage ~ CO2 emitted (as of now), so... why not?
jackbravo 4y ago
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/23/663395064/the-u-k-economy-is-growing-but-its-energy-use-is-shrinking https://www.npr.org/2018/11/23/663395064/the-u-k-economy-is-... - The U.K. Economy Is Growing — But Its Energy Use Is Shrinking

I feel like you are presuming some argument exists when it is a straightforward statement of fact. It's an interesting comparison, and I'm not sure how it could be described as "unfair."

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Aperocky 4y ago

facts are neither fair or unfair, they just is. Just some of them might be interesting, others not, this one certainly count as interesting to me.

throw827474737 4y ago

"Fair"? Shame!

lijogdfljk 4y ago

Seems entirely fair, imo. If, for example only, this was a significant contributor to global warming and impending doom, does it matter that our first world comforts are to blame? We don't get special exception just because we're used to a certain standard of living. I desperately hope we don't need to abandon first world comforts. And i really doubt we would need to. However if, for sake of argument, that was the only solution - our answer should be to acknowledge the burden and take action. This is all for sake of illustration though. Just that your comment seemed to imply because our first world comforts use more energy that it was somehow unfair to question the impact of said comforts.

homeland221 4y ago
The only option is to reduce population as what Thanos and Dan Brown addressed in their works. Less human less pollutions and energy consumptions. Anything else is just distractions.
- oliwarner 4y ago
  One of the more defeatist comments I've seen in a while. Yes, there's no point chasing efficiency or greener generation, let's just bump off half the population. But if murder is the only solution, you'd have to murder 10 Nigerians to save the same power consumption as an American; you'd do a lot less murder by focussing your attention.
  - solarhoma 4y ago
    Nigerian per capita gdp was only $2300. The US has $69,000 per capita gdp. The world would be better off letting the Nigerians go.

jackbravo 4y ago

I hope that in the future, the most advanced nations will be the ones leading the way on energy consumption, maybe because of technology, better regulation, and other factors.

baq 4y ago

energy usage ~ CO2 emitted (as of now), so... why not?

jackbravo 4y ago

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/23/663395064/the-u-k-economy-is-growing-but-its-energy-use-is-shrinking https://www.npr.org/2018/11/23/663395064/the-u-k-economy-is-... - The U.K. Economy Is Growing — But Its Energy Use Is Shrinking