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That was during the cold war 40 years ago and the US couldn't have said otherwise at this time given how entrenched and polarised the conflict was. The EU has

That was during the cold war 40 years ago and the US couldn't have said otherwise at this time given how entrenched and polarised the conflict was. The EU has been built on the concept of collaboration. It's not for no reason that Macron called a couple weeks ago for being careful not humiliating the Russian civilisation (with of course sanctions being necessary), to fend off the risk of seeing the same thing repeating itself in a few generations. History demonstrated that many times.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>careful not humiliating the Russian civilisation Yeah, we wouldn't want to be humiliating a civilization that's currently killing another one. That would be too tough. /s
- bigbaguette 4y ago
  This kind of reasoning is why war never ends
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    And with your reasoning, Hitler would have enslaved all of Europe and Japan all of Asia or the former Yugoslav nations would have massacred each other. The Allies let Hitler annex Austria and parts of Czechoslovakia because "hey, let's not start a war with Nazi Germany", and then let Putin annex Crimea because "hey, let's not start a war with Putin's Russia", but talking and diplomacy only gets you so far and after that, unfortunately, war requires tough measures that hurt everyone, because while you sit around, more people are dying and you're setting a precedent for the future that it's ok to invade other countries and kill innocent people, because you previously let others get away with it before in order to avoid war.
    - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
      The usual line is that Hitler rose to power because of Germany's humiliation in WWI. I'm not really a fan of the theory, but I'm assuming that's what is being referenced.
      - bigbaguette 4y ago
        Probably not the sole reason but a contributing factor. Humiliation -> suffering in populations -> nationalism -> war. All being natural consequences
readthenotes1 4y ago
Perhaps you missed German officials scoffing at Trump when he made the same warning a few years ago. I mean, if its so obvious that even Trump can figure it out, how dumb are you???
- hef19898 4y ago
  How ignorant is it to ignore history from Brechnev to 2020 and just focusing on the last two years?
- Tomis02 4y ago
  > even Trump can figure it out You really think Trump actually figured something out, and not just parroting (without understanding) what others in Europe had been saying for decades? Really?

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>careful not humiliating the Russian civilisation Yeah, we wouldn't want to be humiliating a civilization that's currently killing another one. That would be too tough. /s

bigbaguette 4y ago
This kind of reasoning is why war never ends
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  And with your reasoning, Hitler would have enslaved all of Europe and Japan all of Asia or the former Yugoslav nations would have massacred each other. The Allies let Hitler annex Austria and parts of Czechoslovakia because "hey, let's not start a war with Nazi Germany", and then let Putin annex Crimea because "hey, let's not start a war with Putin's Russia", but talking and diplomacy only gets you so far and after that, unfortunately, war requires tough measures that hurt everyone, because while you sit around, more people are dying and you're setting a precedent for the future that it's ok to invade other countries and kill innocent people, because you previously let others get away with it before in order to avoid war.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    The usual line is that Hitler rose to power because of Germany's humiliation in WWI. I'm not really a fan of the theory, but I'm assuming that's what is being referenced.
    - bigbaguette 4y ago
      Probably not the sole reason but a contributing factor. Humiliation -> suffering in populations -> nationalism -> war. All being natural consequences

readthenotes1 4y ago

Perhaps you missed German officials scoffing at Trump when he made the same warning a few years ago. I mean, if its so obvious that even Trump can figure it out, how dumb are you???

hef19898 4y ago
How ignorant is it to ignore history from Brechnev to 2020 and just focusing on the last two years?
Tomis02 4y ago
> even Trump can figure it out You really think Trump actually figured something out, and not just parroting (without understanding) what others in Europe had been saying for decades? Really?