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As a European, we know - we've already lost ~25% of the value of our savings and purchasing power between double-digit inflation and the Euro crashing >20% in l

As a European, we know - we've already lost ~25% of the value of our savings and purchasing power between double-digit inflation and the Euro crashing >20% in less than a year. But our governments are so committed to this path, there's no way back. Personally I don't care whether it's Ukrainian or Russian oligarchs charging the gas transit fees, I just want peace and stability. Then we can invest heavily in nuclear fission and fusion and renewable energy sources.

yardie 4y ago
Peace and stability is how we are in this mess. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. Western Europe did nothing, to keep the peace. Russia was emboldened to continue the campaign to annex the rest of Ukraine because they knew no one was going to stop them. And outside of monetary and weapons aid they were mostly right, the Ukrainians are in this fight by themselves. Everyone else is making excuses about keeping the peace and not letting the price of gas get too high.
- hef19898 4y ago
  When Russia annexed Ukraine nobody anything, including the US. Besides, of course, working with Ukraine behind the scenes to prepare for a potential similar event. And that oreparation worked, didn't it? I like how HN ignores the historical context when it comes to Russia, gas and Europe. This history goes much further back than 2014...
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    >When Russia annexed Ukraine nobody anything, including the US. The US began under Obama an intensive program to retrain the Ukrainian armed forces away from the Soviet-era tactics that had failed miserably against Russia in the east, and provide equipment. Trump and Biden continued this. Without this, Russia's gambit of seizing Kiev and defeating Ukraine in 72 hours in the February war might have succeeded.
seydor 4y ago
Si vis pacem ...
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>As a European, we know - we've already lost ~25% of the value of our savings and purchasing power between double-digit inflation and the Euro crashing >20% in less than a year. We've lost a lot more during the covid money printer bull run of 2020-2022 when house prices went though the roof. Good luck affording a house now that our wages are worth less and our energy bills are higher.
brnt 4y ago
As a European, I want this tumor at our doorstep excised. We fooled ourselves into believing trade would magically bring Russia in line; absolutely nothing bears this out. Russian rulers have been a horrible influence on humans in our continent for centuries (remember, Russians have to live there largely in squalor every day for as long as the country exists). I do hope future generations don't suffer the consequences of our need for 'peace' (a more factual description would be self-delusion). Actual peace means an excision like we did with Nazi rule. There can be no trace left, or else it'll keep festering for more centuries still.

yardie 4y ago

Peace and stability is how we are in this mess. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. Western Europe did nothing, to keep the peace. Russia was emboldened to continue the campaign to annex the rest of Ukraine because they knew no one was going to stop them. And outside of monetary and weapons aid they were mostly right, the Ukrainians are in this fight by themselves. Everyone else is making excuses about keeping the peace and not letting the price of gas get too high.

hef19898 4y ago
When Russia annexed Ukraine nobody anything, including the US. Besides, of course, working with Ukraine behind the scenes to prepare for a potential similar event. And that oreparation worked, didn't it? I like how HN ignores the historical context when it comes to Russia, gas and Europe. This history goes much further back than 2014...
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >When Russia annexed Ukraine nobody anything, including the US. The US began under Obama an intensive program to retrain the Ukrainian armed forces away from the Soviet-era tactics that had failed miserably against Russia in the east, and provide equipment. Trump and Biden continued this. Without this, Russia's gambit of seizing Kiev and defeating Ukraine in 72 hours in the February war might have succeeded.

seydor 4y ago

Si vis pacem ...

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>As a European, we know - we've already lost ~25% of the value of our savings and purchasing power between double-digit inflation and the Euro crashing >20% in less than a year. We've lost a lot more during the covid money printer bull run of 2020-2022 when house prices went though the roof. Good luck affording a house now that our wages are worth less and our energy bills are higher.

brnt 4y ago

As a European, I want this tumor at our doorstep excised. We fooled ourselves into believing trade would magically bring Russia in line; absolutely nothing bears this out. Russian rulers have been a horrible influence on humans in our continent for centuries (remember, Russians have to live there largely in squalor every day for as long as the country exists). I do hope future generations don't suffer the consequences of our need for 'peace' (a more factual description would be self-delusion). Actual peace means an excision like we did with Nazi rule. There can be no trace left, or else it'll keep festering for more centuries still.