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This is why the left also needs a gun rights and ownership culture

pjc50 4y ago
Possibly, but as soon as it became a thing it would be raided by the police, as per what happened to the Black Panthers.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Police are also a reason the left need a strong gun culture (I mean we are talking about the same groups of people, police and right wing extremists, terrorist groups, white supremacist gangs etc). BP didn’t go far enough and were hamstrung by lack of support from the left due to racial division within working class and those in poverty
  - colpabar 4y ago
    Good thing the left is so supportive of the working class now lol
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      It’s bad as ever, I’m not suggesting we’ve reversed those divisions. And now the left have gained an anti-gun stance on top of it, and in typical liberal fashion, have started with giving up their own individual gun ownership before addressing ownership at large in society
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  btw BP were raided when they started taking direct action to support their communities through programs like the free breakfast service. guns didn’t do BP in, socialism did
- Chris2048 4y ago
  I'd argue that while initially having more guns causes the probability of being raided to go up, with enough guns that starts to fall. The police/FBI raid you because you are a threat to them. Become enough of a threat, and they will think twice about raiding you. Of course you won't win against the military, but that becomes an issue of popular support - the BP didn't have enough political power at the time. I expect this is the reason the response to the Capitol raid was muted - As much as a military response could be justified, doing so against a reasonably well supported group would escalate the situation.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    gun ownership itself doesn’t make an organization a threat to the police or fbi as is utterly evident. nor does the possession of guns itself cause organized criminalized activity to be treated with severe force, as is also utterly evident also bear in mind the military doesn’t operate with nearly as much ease on america’s own population, when you’re comparing pig threat to movements or peoples in the US. there’s also your neighbor to worry about
    - Chris2048 4y ago
      This is in the context of being a targeted organisation, such as the BP.
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        pretty sus to tell dissidents they should all disarm to protect themselves
        Chris2048 4y ago
        maybe, but what has that got to do with this thread?
        wahnfrieden 4y ago

Possibly, but as soon as it became a thing it would be raided by the police, as per what happened to the Black Panthers.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
Police are also a reason the left need a strong gun culture (I mean we are talking about the same groups of people, police and right wing extremists, terrorist groups, white supremacist gangs etc). BP didn’t go far enough and were hamstrung by lack of support from the left due to racial division within working class and those in poverty
- colpabar 4y ago
  Good thing the left is so supportive of the working class now lol
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    It’s bad as ever, I’m not suggesting we’ve reversed those divisions. And now the left have gained an anti-gun stance on top of it, and in typical liberal fashion, have started with giving up their own individual gun ownership before addressing ownership at large in society
wahnfrieden 4y ago
btw BP were raided when they started taking direct action to support their communities through programs like the free breakfast service. guns didn’t do BP in, socialism did
Chris2048 4y ago
I'd argue that while initially having more guns causes the probability of being raided to go up, with enough guns that starts to fall. The police/FBI raid you because you are a threat to them. Become enough of a threat, and they will think twice about raiding you. Of course you won't win against the military, but that becomes an issue of popular support - the BP didn't have enough political power at the time. I expect this is the reason the response to the Capitol raid was muted - As much as a military response could be justified, doing so against a reasonably well supported group would escalate the situation.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  gun ownership itself doesn’t make an organization a threat to the police or fbi as is utterly evident. nor does the possession of guns itself cause organized criminalized activity to be treated with severe force, as is also utterly evident also bear in mind the military doesn’t operate with nearly as much ease on america’s own population, when you’re comparing pig threat to movements or peoples in the US. there’s also your neighbor to worry about
  - Chris2048 4y ago
    This is in the context of being a targeted organisation, such as the BP.
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      pretty sus to tell dissidents they should all disarm to protect themselves
      - Chris2048 4y ago
        maybe, but what has that got to do with this thread?
        wahnfrieden 4y ago