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Trains in Czechia still do not have contract for electricity for next year. It is not question of price, nobody is simply offering. Yet goverments are still pu

Trains in Czechia still do not have contract for electricity for next year. It is not question of price, nobody is simply offering. Yet goverments are still pushing green agenda. No coal, no nuclear, no heating... ICE cars will be banned soon... We do not have enough electricity for trains already, yet somehow we will quadruple our electricity consumption, without building any infrastructure!

inb4_cancelled 4y ago
What's the "green agenda" that you're referring to? How are ICE cars being "banned" soon? How will the consumption quadruple and why do you think that increased consumption won't be accompanied by infrastructure upgrades?
- thro388 4y ago
  EU recently passed ban on selling cars from 2035, plus taxation etc.. So every car should be electric eventually. It takes decades (30 years) to build new new power plants, power lines etc.. So to make this plan realistic, there should be 50 (maybe 100) power plants under construction or in planning phase right now. Instead we are closing down power plants and reducing electric grid capacity!
  - benj111 4y ago
    When you say power plants, do you mean wind turbines and solar panels?
    - thro388 4y ago
      No, I mean a few GWs of stable power generators!
      - benj111 4y ago
        But we're trying to move away from fossil fuels, so what's the point in building power generators again?
- rewrewrewqf 4y ago
  >What's the "green agenda" that you're referring to? eg: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/european-green-deal_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Energy_and_nuclear_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Energy_... >How are ICE cars being "banned" soon? eg: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/california-decides-to-ban-new-ice-vehicle-sales-by-2035-196924.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/california-decides-to-ban... https://www.electrive.com/2022/06/29/eu-council-decides-on-100-co2-reductions-for-cars-and-vans-by-2035/ https://www.electrive.com/2022/06/29/eu-council-decides-on-1... https://www.just-auto.com/news/uk-government-confirms-2030-ice-ban/ https://www.just-auto.com/news/uk-government-confirms-2030-i... These are very easy questions to answer.
blackoil 4y ago
No nuclear isn't green. Solar and wind is green. These are needed to be built to meet the electricity requirements.
- afiori 4y ago
  Nuclear is green enough.
- danans 4y ago
  "Green" is a spent adjective at this point. Nuclear is zero carbon, but not renewable, and is a source of non dispatchable baseload. Solar and wind are both zero carbon and renewable, but not dispatchable and not a baseload source. Solar and wind plus storage are zero carbon, renewable, and also a source of dispatchable baseload.
  - Brometheus 4y ago
    We have minutenreserveleistung (MRL) using wind in Germany, but this is not the best solution :joy:
  - blackoil 4y ago
    Renewable and green are orthogonal. Renewable is important for long term availability of the resource, which is not a practical constraint for nuclear.
    - danans 4y ago
      > which is not a practical constraint for nuclear. It is very much a practical constraint for current nuclear reactors (whether traditional or SMR) whose uranium supply chains lead straight to problem zones [1]. Using conventionally mined uranium, traditional reactors would only provide 5 years of the world's electricity demand [2]. Seawater-extracted uranium could stretch into the thousands of years, but that is unproven at scale and cost. Similarly unproven are the fast breeder reactors needed to truly make the non-renewability of nuclear moot. 1. https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/blogs/electric-power/070722-global-nuclear-fuel-supply-chain-uranium-russia-ukraine-war https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insight... 2. https://phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.html#:~:text=Uranium%20abundance%3A%20At%20the%20current,for%20less%20than%205%20years https://phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.htm....

inb4_cancelled 4y ago

What's the "green agenda" that you're referring to? How are ICE cars being "banned" soon? How will the consumption quadruple and why do you think that increased consumption won't be accompanied by infrastructure upgrades?

thro388 4y ago
EU recently passed ban on selling cars from 2035, plus taxation etc.. So every car should be electric eventually. It takes decades (30 years) to build new new power plants, power lines etc.. So to make this plan realistic, there should be 50 (maybe 100) power plants under construction or in planning phase right now. Instead we are closing down power plants and reducing electric grid capacity!
- benj111 4y ago
  When you say power plants, do you mean wind turbines and solar panels?
  - thro388 4y ago
    No, I mean a few GWs of stable power generators!
    - benj111 4y ago
      But we're trying to move away from fossil fuels, so what's the point in building power generators again?
rewrewrewqf 4y ago
>What's the "green agenda" that you're referring to? eg: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/european-green-deal_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Energy_and_nuclear_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_90/The_Greens#Energy_... >How are ICE cars being "banned" soon? eg: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/california-decides-to-ban-new-ice-vehicle-sales-by-2035-196924.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/california-decides-to-ban... https://www.electrive.com/2022/06/29/eu-council-decides-on-100-co2-reductions-for-cars-and-vans-by-2035/ https://www.electrive.com/2022/06/29/eu-council-decides-on-1... https://www.just-auto.com/news/uk-government-confirms-2030-ice-ban/ https://www.just-auto.com/news/uk-government-confirms-2030-i... These are very easy questions to answer.

blackoil 4y ago

No nuclear isn't green. Solar and wind is green. These are needed to be built to meet the electricity requirements.

afiori 4y ago
Nuclear is green enough.
danans 4y ago
"Green" is a spent adjective at this point. Nuclear is zero carbon, but not renewable, and is a source of non dispatchable baseload. Solar and wind are both zero carbon and renewable, but not dispatchable and not a baseload source. Solar and wind plus storage are zero carbon, renewable, and also a source of dispatchable baseload.
- Brometheus 4y ago
  We have minutenreserveleistung (MRL) using wind in Germany, but this is not the best solution :joy:
- blackoil 4y ago
  Renewable and green are orthogonal. Renewable is important for long term availability of the resource, which is not a practical constraint for nuclear.
  - danans 4y ago
    > which is not a practical constraint for nuclear. It is very much a practical constraint for current nuclear reactors (whether traditional or SMR) whose uranium supply chains lead straight to problem zones [1]. Using conventionally mined uranium, traditional reactors would only provide 5 years of the world's electricity demand [2]. Seawater-extracted uranium could stretch into the thousands of years, but that is unproven at scale and cost. Similarly unproven are the fast breeder reactors needed to truly make the non-renewability of nuclear moot. 1. https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/blogs/electric-power/070722-global-nuclear-fuel-supply-chain-uranium-russia-ukraine-war https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insight... 2. https://phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.html#:~:text=Uranium%20abundance%3A%20At%20the%20current,for%20less%20than%205%20years https://phys.org/news/2011-05-nuclear-power-world-energy.htm....