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These IDE's have been able to do this for 20+ years. And they also do so much more than the rrb.

pjmlp 4y ago
Do they haven't, not at the level that Smalltalk does it. To affirm otherwise only reveals lack of experience on the matter. No Smalltalk environment has ever shown an error message about not being able to do edit-continue/hot-reload/whatever.... after doing a code change in a debug session. Nor are they capable of transparently exposing their internal structures in the debugging session.
sebastianconcpt 4y ago
Can you halt and open an interactive debugger in a green thread in a running production node that you can correct a method and let that thread continue running after that with these? Without interrupting any other thread of that node of course?
- hota_mazi 4y ago
  Yes and yes. On the JVM and .net. Has been feasible for a while. It's also something that you should probably never do, so not really that useful or worth considering as a major advantage.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    On the JVM only if you buy JRebel and even then there are situations where it doesn't work. https://www.jrebel.com/blog/limitations-of-hotswap https://www.jrebel.com/blog/limitations-of-hotswap https://www.jrebel.com/learn/does-jrebel-support-my-framework https://www.jrebel.com/learn/does-jrebel-support-my-framewor... On the .NET, I will let Microsoft's own words speak for itself, https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-hot-reload/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-hot-re... > No matter how you use .NET Hot Reload please be aware that some changes are not supported at runtime and will prompt you with a rude edit dialog and require you to restart your app in order to apply. We’re still working on the feature and the documentation to detail what edits are supported. For now, start by reviewing our existing list of Edit and Continue (EnC) equivalent capabilities. Since Hot Reload is powered by EnC this will give you a good starting point for better understanding this new feature. For details see: EnC documentation. In Smalltalk environments since the early 80's, it always works, there are no buts and ifs, or extra products to install. As mentioned on another replies, it only shows you never used Smalltalk in production.
    - hota_mazi 4y ago
      > there are no buts and ifs, or extra products to install. So... moving the goal posts now.

Do they haven't, not at the level that Smalltalk does it. To affirm otherwise only reveals lack of experience on the matter. No Smalltalk environment has ever shown an error message about not being able to do edit-continue/hot-reload/whatever.... after doing a code change in a debug session. Nor are they capable of transparently exposing their internal structures in the debugging session.

sebastianconcpt 4y ago

Can you halt and open an interactive debugger in a green thread in a running production node that you can correct a method and let that thread continue running after that with these? Without interrupting any other thread of that node of course?

hota_mazi 4y ago
Yes and yes. On the JVM and .net. Has been feasible for a while. It's also something that you should probably never do, so not really that useful or worth considering as a major advantage.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  On the JVM only if you buy JRebel and even then there are situations where it doesn't work. https://www.jrebel.com/blog/limitations-of-hotswap https://www.jrebel.com/blog/limitations-of-hotswap https://www.jrebel.com/learn/does-jrebel-support-my-framework https://www.jrebel.com/learn/does-jrebel-support-my-framewor... On the .NET, I will let Microsoft's own words speak for itself, https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-hot-reload/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-hot-re... > No matter how you use .NET Hot Reload please be aware that some changes are not supported at runtime and will prompt you with a rude edit dialog and require you to restart your app in order to apply. We’re still working on the feature and the documentation to detail what edits are supported. For now, start by reviewing our existing list of Edit and Continue (EnC) equivalent capabilities. Since Hot Reload is powered by EnC this will give you a good starting point for better understanding this new feature. For details see: EnC documentation. In Smalltalk environments since the early 80's, it always works, there are no buts and ifs, or extra products to install. As mentioned on another replies, it only shows you never used Smalltalk in production.
  - hota_mazi 4y ago
    > there are no buts and ifs, or extra products to install. So... moving the goal posts now.