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Funny you should say that - how much does Tesla spend on marketing vs other car companies? How much does spacex spend on marketing? Just because some people (

Funny you should say that - how much does Tesla spend on marketing vs other car companies? How much does spacex spend on marketing? Just because some people (excluding you) think his products are awesome, doesn't mean he oversold it.

tsimionescu 4y ago
Tesla launched a car into space. That's significantly more costly than the vast majority of ad campaigns. Also, Elon constantly oversells his products every chance he is given - Tesla shows, any interview, I think he managed to do it even when he went on SNL.
- gridspy 4y ago
  > Tesla launched a car into space. It was a dummy payload. Sure the car was more expensive than a block of concrete, but not by much. Elon claims SpaceX was started because he couldn't inspire people with a martian greenhouse photo. So it is "in character" for him to do inspiring things if possible along the way.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    The point is that it was a marketing stunt for Tesla. It was inspiring alright - inspiring people to associate Tesla with cool space stuff, and hopefully buy one.
    - LightG 4y ago
      A shame his mouth counterbalanced much of the value from those fantastic stunts.
    - caf 4y ago
      Sure, but the cost to Tesla was one car, one camera, one video transmitter and probably the most expensive part, a license for David Bowie's Starman. Perhaps that's "significantly more costly than the vast majority of ad campaigns", but only because the vast majority of ad campaigns are not very costly at all (I guess the dominant ad campaign by number is a limited online or local print one for a small business, costing in the low 4 figures). Certainly it wouldn't be significantly more costly than the vast majority of ad campaigns for car manufacturers, though.
- postmeta 4y ago
  I think he constantly undersells compared to the CEOs and marketing dept of other companies talking about their products.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    I haven't seen other CEOs randomly mention on every interview they attend that their company is literally intended to save mankind from complete disaster by moving us to another planet. I also haven't seen any other car company CEO claiming that the car they sell you will literally pay for itself in 1 year by collecting faires as a robotaxi starting from 2019. I also haven't seen any other company CEO claiming that their company will give you virtual immortality by uploading your brain into a computer. Well, I should say for all of these, any other CEO that is not running a scam company.
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      Really? Every second company I seem to hear about is literally saving the planet from global warming, valiantly defending and saving the weak and oppressed, battling bigotry, bringing truth and enlightenment to the world, all sorts of wild hypocrisy and lies. Musk claims to be worried about the earth becoming uninhabitable and has the goal of starting a colony on Mars to mitigate that risk. Do you think that's just a lie he's telling to somehow get richer? That he doesn't really have that concern or aim? What's the scam here? Sure he is over-optimistic and hypes is products and over-promises. When it comes to rockets, so does NASA, Boeing, ULA, Aerojet Rocketdyne, Northrop Grumman, Blue Origin, Arianespace... well probably most of them. When it comes to electric or autonomous cars, so does GM, Ford, Toyota, VW, Uber... also probably most of them.
      - tsimionescu 4y ago
        > Do you think that's just a lie he's telling to somehow get richer? That he doesn't really have that concern or aim? Yes, that aim is impossible for the forseeable future, and for the effort and resources you would spend making a self-sustaining Mars colony, if it's in any way possible, you can definitely make the Earth habitable after any possible disaster that doesn't destroy the whole orbit. For the others, find me one other example that has so constantly spread such lies.
- kortilla 4y ago
  Tesla didn’t launch a car into space, SpaceX did. It was either a car or a chunk of concrete.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    If you don't think that was a marketing stunt for Tesla, I don't know what to tell you.
    - kortilla 4y ago
      If you think Tesla paid for it, I don’t know what to tell you.
wodenokoto 4y ago
Overselling is not about ad spend. It's about promises given.
IntelMiner 4y ago
Nothing. Because you clearly seem inspired to defend him on the internet instead :) Though there's a distressing culture of nerds who salivate at every brain fart he puts out into the world

tsimionescu 4y ago

Tesla launched a car into space. That's significantly more costly than the vast majority of ad campaigns. Also, Elon constantly oversells his products every chance he is given - Tesla shows, any interview, I think he managed to do it even when he went on SNL.

gridspy 4y ago
> Tesla launched a car into space. It was a dummy payload. Sure the car was more expensive than a block of concrete, but not by much. Elon claims SpaceX was started because he couldn't inspire people with a martian greenhouse photo. So it is "in character" for him to do inspiring things if possible along the way.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  The point is that it was a marketing stunt for Tesla. It was inspiring alright - inspiring people to associate Tesla with cool space stuff, and hopefully buy one.
  - LightG 4y ago
    A shame his mouth counterbalanced much of the value from those fantastic stunts.
  - caf 4y ago
    Sure, but the cost to Tesla was one car, one camera, one video transmitter and probably the most expensive part, a license for David Bowie's Starman. Perhaps that's "significantly more costly than the vast majority of ad campaigns", but only because the vast majority of ad campaigns are not very costly at all (I guess the dominant ad campaign by number is a limited online or local print one for a small business, costing in the low 4 figures). Certainly it wouldn't be significantly more costly than the vast majority of ad campaigns for car manufacturers, though.
postmeta 4y ago
I think he constantly undersells compared to the CEOs and marketing dept of other companies talking about their products.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  I haven't seen other CEOs randomly mention on every interview they attend that their company is literally intended to save mankind from complete disaster by moving us to another planet. I also haven't seen any other car company CEO claiming that the car they sell you will literally pay for itself in 1 year by collecting faires as a robotaxi starting from 2019. I also haven't seen any other company CEO claiming that their company will give you virtual immortality by uploading your brain into a computer. Well, I should say for all of these, any other CEO that is not running a scam company.
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    Really? Every second company I seem to hear about is literally saving the planet from global warming, valiantly defending and saving the weak and oppressed, battling bigotry, bringing truth and enlightenment to the world, all sorts of wild hypocrisy and lies. Musk claims to be worried about the earth becoming uninhabitable and has the goal of starting a colony on Mars to mitigate that risk. Do you think that's just a lie he's telling to somehow get richer? That he doesn't really have that concern or aim? What's the scam here? Sure he is over-optimistic and hypes is products and over-promises. When it comes to rockets, so does NASA, Boeing, ULA, Aerojet Rocketdyne, Northrop Grumman, Blue Origin, Arianespace... well probably most of them. When it comes to electric or autonomous cars, so does GM, Ford, Toyota, VW, Uber... also probably most of them.
    - tsimionescu 4y ago
      > Do you think that's just a lie he's telling to somehow get richer? That he doesn't really have that concern or aim? Yes, that aim is impossible for the forseeable future, and for the effort and resources you would spend making a self-sustaining Mars colony, if it's in any way possible, you can definitely make the Earth habitable after any possible disaster that doesn't destroy the whole orbit. For the others, find me one other example that has so constantly spread such lies.
kortilla 4y ago
Tesla didn’t launch a car into space, SpaceX did. It was either a car or a chunk of concrete.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  If you don't think that was a marketing stunt for Tesla, I don't know what to tell you.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    If you think Tesla paid for it, I don’t know what to tell you.

wodenokoto 4y ago

Overselling is not about ad spend. It's about promises given.

IntelMiner 4y ago

Nothing. Because you clearly seem inspired to defend him on the internet instead :) Though there's a distressing culture of nerds who salivate at every brain fart he puts out into the world