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I won't be "upgrading" to Windows 11. Once W10 support has ended I'm moving full time to Linux. I've already started the transition so I'll be more than ready w

I won't be "upgrading" to Windows 11. Once W10 support has ended I'm moving full time to Linux. I've already started the transition so I'll be more than ready when the time comes. Unnecessary changes with no benefit just show a lack of respect for the consumer and a level of arrogance I thought had been extinguished in Microsoft after the Windows 8 debacle. Clearly it hasn't.

badpun 4y ago
> I won't be "upgrading" to Windows 11 Interestingly, on both my laptops (2013 MBP and a 2015 Lenovo gaming laptop) Windows says that they "don't meet minimum requirements to install Windows 11". They're perfectly reasonable machines and Windows 10 runs smooth as butter on both of them, since when did Microsoft got so picky? Anyway, I'm sort of glad, because if the machines were eliglble for the Windows 11 upgrade, I'm sure MS would just go for it one night without my permission.
- Akronymus 4y ago
  Probably missing the TPM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
  - jasomill 4y ago
    Also neither have a supported[1] CPU. Though, if you really want to run Windows 11, easy workarounds[2] exist for both. For what it's worth, I'm currently running Windows 11 on a 2011 MacBook Pro — in BIOS mode, actually, because EFI support for Windows is broken on this particular model — and hardware support is no worse than it is on supported versions of Windows (meaning mostly OK except for the lack of GPU switching and precision touchpad drivers), and considerably better than it is on recent, similarly unsupported Mac OS versions (this machine — my emergency "for the rare cases where I actually need a laptop" box — is currently triple-booting Windows 11 [BIOS], macOS Monterey [EFI], and Linux [EFI]). [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... [2] https://rufus.ie/en/ https://rufus.ie/en/
- smileybarry 4y ago
  If they're Skylake or newer and the Lenovo has a TPM + UEFI Secure Boot, you can probably clean-install Windows 11 without a hitch. I recently reinstalled a Win10-era Asus ZenBook with a Skylake m3 which Microsoft claimed "is not supported" but a normal, unpatched Win11 setup USB worked fine and Windows Update runs properly. (It doesn't complain about unsupported hardware as it would)
andrewmackrodt 4y ago
I wonder which Linux DE environment you will be using, KDE? I find Gnome's changes to be more unnecessary than Windows, e.g. Gnome 42 defaults to overview on login. Overall, I find Gnome to at least be more consistent than Windows and no adverts in the activities/applications menus are of course appreciated. However, every major release tends to force the user to relearn certain how to use your desktop principals.
- dinom 4y ago
  > every major release tends to force the user to relearn As in the sense of re-education? Or brainwashing? Or maybe just outright monetization of the user (as start menu adverts would indicate)? Genuine upgrades (esp. security, bugfixes) are one thing but the practice is extremely prone to abuse. Previews are rarely robust enough and you always end up having to change your workflow to conform with questionable (or seemingly arbitrary) "improvements". Many times I just feel like a rat in an A/B test lab. So I embraced minimalism; I don't even bother with a full DE these days. I used to love gimmicks like wobbly windows but the novelty wears off fast. I just run a stable and trustworthy WM now (OpenBox, if you're curious) and cherry-pick everything else. Ever since I've found my environment to be much more comfortable and serene... likely more productive too. YMMV
pjmlp 4y ago
I keep reading such posts since Windows XP was released....
midoridensha 4y ago
>I won't be "upgrading" to Windows 11. Once W10 support has ended I'm moving full time to Linux. I've been hearing people make this vow for decades now, but they almost never follow through. >a level of arrogance I thought had been extinguished in Microsoft after the Windows 8 debacle. Clearly it hasn't. Microsoft has always been arrogant; this is nothing new.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  > but they almost never follow through. How do you know that? Do you follow up on random online people making this claim a few months down the line to make sure they are really running Linux now?
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    You can see it in usage stats for desktop Linux. So many people have claimed over the years that they were going to change, yet never did. If they had, the usage stats would be much higher, but desktop Linux really hasn't gained much popularity over the years. It's sad, because it actually works pretty well these days, despite Gnome doing its best to scare people away by offering a radically different UI than they're used to and pitching itself as the standard (with most of the corporate backing).
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    2% desktop market share (traditional PCs + laptops) during the last 20 years since people started making that assertion after each single Windows release that annoys them somehow. Windows XP toy's are us UI, DX10 being Vista only, Windows 7 new UI, Windows 8 new UI, Windows 8.1 new UI, UWP focus, .... ChromeOS and Android don't count as Linux desktops, given the only thing Linux about them, is their usage of the Linux kernel, considered by Google an implementation detail and not exposed as public userspace APIs to the respective store apps.
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
I have Windows 11 on x86 and ARM and few PCs with Windows 10 and honestly can't tell the difference between those two after configuration of Windows 11 by few user settings and one forced settings (legacy context menu via loading registry value). So I don't really understand this outrage.
smileybarry 4y ago
I have to disagree, Windows 11 feels much more like a desktop UI without all the random Windows 8 fly-ins, sidebars, etc. of Windows 10. The Settings app is much neater and dark/light mode is in better colors than "night blindness white" and "astigmatism-inducing OLED black on IPS". Quick actions and the smaller Wi-Fi menu make more sense and are a lot more responsive than the Windows 8-era network menu that barely changed.
brokenmachine 4y ago
It's only Ableton keeping me on Windows. If Ableton decided to support Linux, I'd switch that very same day. I'd dual-boot to play games, but I want to be able to run Ableton simultaneously with web browser/etc. I just don't think Ableton would run very well in a virtual machine with acceptable latency.

badpun 4y ago

> I won't be "upgrading" to Windows 11 Interestingly, on both my laptops (2013 MBP and a 2015 Lenovo gaming laptop) Windows says that they "don't meet minimum requirements to install Windows 11". They're perfectly reasonable machines and Windows 10 runs smooth as butter on both of them, since when did Microsoft got so picky? Anyway, I'm sort of glad, because if the machines were eliglble for the Windows 11 upgrade, I'm sure MS would just go for it one night without my permission.

Akronymus 4y ago
Probably missing the TPM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
- jasomill 4y ago
  Also neither have a supported[1] CPU. Though, if you really want to run Windows 11, easy workarounds[2] exist for both. For what it's worth, I'm currently running Windows 11 on a 2011 MacBook Pro — in BIOS mode, actually, because EFI support for Windows is broken on this particular model — and hardware support is no worse than it is on supported versions of Windows (meaning mostly OK except for the lack of GPU switching and precision touchpad drivers), and considerably better than it is on recent, similarly unsupported Mac OS versions (this machine — my emergency "for the rare cases where I actually need a laptop" box — is currently triple-booting Windows 11 [BIOS], macOS Monterey [EFI], and Linux [EFI]). [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... [2] https://rufus.ie/en/ https://rufus.ie/en/
smileybarry 4y ago
If they're Skylake or newer and the Lenovo has a TPM + UEFI Secure Boot, you can probably clean-install Windows 11 without a hitch. I recently reinstalled a Win10-era Asus ZenBook with a Skylake m3 which Microsoft claimed "is not supported" but a normal, unpatched Win11 setup USB worked fine and Windows Update runs properly. (It doesn't complain about unsupported hardware as it would)

andrewmackrodt 4y ago

I wonder which Linux DE environment you will be using, KDE? I find Gnome's changes to be more unnecessary than Windows, e.g. Gnome 42 defaults to overview on login. Overall, I find Gnome to at least be more consistent than Windows and no adverts in the activities/applications menus are of course appreciated. However, every major release tends to force the user to relearn certain how to use your desktop principals.

dinom 4y ago
> every major release tends to force the user to relearn As in the sense of re-education? Or brainwashing? Or maybe just outright monetization of the user (as start menu adverts would indicate)? Genuine upgrades (esp. security, bugfixes) are one thing but the practice is extremely prone to abuse. Previews are rarely robust enough and you always end up having to change your workflow to conform with questionable (or seemingly arbitrary) "improvements". Many times I just feel like a rat in an A/B test lab. So I embraced minimalism; I don't even bother with a full DE these days. I used to love gimmicks like wobbly windows but the novelty wears off fast. I just run a stable and trustworthy WM now (OpenBox, if you're curious) and cherry-pick everything else. Ever since I've found my environment to be much more comfortable and serene... likely more productive too. YMMV

pjmlp 4y ago

I keep reading such posts since Windows XP was released....

midoridensha 4y ago

>I won't be "upgrading" to Windows 11. Once W10 support has ended I'm moving full time to Linux. I've been hearing people make this vow for decades now, but they almost never follow through. >a level of arrogance I thought had been extinguished in Microsoft after the Windows 8 debacle. Clearly it hasn't. Microsoft has always been arrogant; this is nothing new.

selfhoster11 4y ago
> but they almost never follow through. How do you know that? Do you follow up on random online people making this claim a few months down the line to make sure they are really running Linux now?
- midoridensha 4y ago
  You can see it in usage stats for desktop Linux. So many people have claimed over the years that they were going to change, yet never did. If they had, the usage stats would be much higher, but desktop Linux really hasn't gained much popularity over the years. It's sad, because it actually works pretty well these days, despite Gnome doing its best to scare people away by offering a radically different UI than they're used to and pitching itself as the standard (with most of the corporate backing).
- pjmlp 4y ago
  2% desktop market share (traditional PCs + laptops) during the last 20 years since people started making that assertion after each single Windows release that annoys them somehow. Windows XP toy's are us UI, DX10 being Vista only, Windows 7 new UI, Windows 8 new UI, Windows 8.1 new UI, UWP focus, .... ChromeOS and Android don't count as Linux desktops, given the only thing Linux about them, is their usage of the Linux kernel, considered by Google an implementation detail and not exposed as public userspace APIs to the respective store apps.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

I have Windows 11 on x86 and ARM and few PCs with Windows 10 and honestly can't tell the difference between those two after configuration of Windows 11 by few user settings and one forced settings (legacy context menu via loading registry value). So I don't really understand this outrage.

smileybarry 4y ago

I have to disagree, Windows 11 feels much more like a desktop UI without all the random Windows 8 fly-ins, sidebars, etc. of Windows 10. The Settings app is much neater and dark/light mode is in better colors than "night blindness white" and "astigmatism-inducing OLED black on IPS". Quick actions and the smaller Wi-Fi menu make more sense and are a lot more responsive than the Windows 8-era network menu that barely changed.

brokenmachine 4y ago

It's only Ableton keeping me on Windows. If Ableton decided to support Linux, I'd switch that very same day. I'd dual-boot to play games, but I want to be able to run Ableton simultaneously with web browser/etc. I just don't think Ableton would run very well in a virtual machine with acceptable latency.