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Even developers are taken for a ride. Just like WhatsApp and Chrome, it all comes down to ripple effects of "If others didn't use it, I can't". I have given a n

Even developers are taken for a ride. Just like WhatsApp and Chrome, it all comes down to ripple effects of "If others didn't use it, I can't". I have given a number of examples of this stubborn sticky monopoly below. Every newbie while learning to code: scared of reviews on internet like "I couldn't get help with this editor online or with colleagues and I can't risk being stuck on this project so I switched to VS Code" Every newbie while interviewing: impress interviewers even by a little chance that they use the "industry standard" tool to code. Every experienced developer, even on this HN post, says "It doesn't have excellent support like VS CODE, in remote development, centralized marketplace, etc." I have pieced together and my conclusion comes from the observation below. There is a reason enterprise, rather than startup world use M$ products. The power and money to fight for fairness. Their C#/.NET compiler is open source and excellently designed but with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ like closed source] VSCODE is open source but with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ like telemetry and extensions where the real power lies, being closed source] Phone and App market but to with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ it is going to be based on android like Edge on Chromium] VStudio is best IDE but to with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ like telemetry + closed source extensions + Heavy + slow + whatnot!] MAUI is Wowza! tool with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ like repackage old Xamarin in new branding] OneNote is the best note taking app ever but with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ like lock in using obscure format and closed source] Every company they acquire but with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ Embraaace Exteeend Extin...]

oaiey 4y ago
That is not EEE. But monopolistic behavior.
- philonoist 4y ago
  Yeah, I mean it keeps on adding to the list of complaints and M$ won't budge.
nindalf 4y ago
> VStudio is best IDE but to with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ like telemetry + closed source extensions + Heavy + slow + whatnot!] It’s telling that you needed help from “whatnot” to pad out this list. In what world is “Heavy + slow” a nefarious practice? Even assuming this is true, all of us have written software that was far from perfect. There wasn’t anything nefarious about either situation, it was only people trying to ship software under time constraints. That you ascribe evil intentions to some software being slow says more about you than them. Telemetry - so much digital ink has been spilled on this. Not one person I’ve asked can actually explain what’s wrong with this. What would actually go wrong if performance and usage metrics are sent to their server. “But they can be deanonymized!” Ok, let’s assume they can. Now we know it takes your computer 40ms to load the side bar, 20ms to create a new in-built terminal, and the version control screen crashes every time you open it. What now? How does this actually change anything? You folks complaining about telemetry think your job is done when you say “telemetry is nefarious”. But I can’t see a path for exploitation of this data in any way. No doubt you’ll tell us how. When doing so, please let’s assume that Microsoft is compliant with GDPR. Lastly closed source extensions - OP makes a compelling case that this is how we’ll end up with just one online editor. Yeah, I definitely see it. That’s the one thing I’ve been convinced of.
- philonoist 4y ago
  >In what world is “Heavy + slow” a nefarious practice? In M$ world and Apple's world( XCode). 2022's version was the first one to do a 64-bit release and became news titled - "awesome!", "Woah!", "amazing!", etc. [0] VStudio had nothing unique to it that the Rider din't have, but corporates and developers loved it because they could compensate by throwing some costly hardware and I must point out that it is usually from Intel that M$ is in monopoly in consumer and enterprise market. Apple is just the same, but it gets away being close to the *nix world. "performance improvements and bug smashes" are just fodder for despair that masquerades as hope, which could have been done away with long ago. Users report them and even showed what exactly could be done down to bits and bytes, but these thigs sleep there for a decade. All you need to do is create a developer account and search "for 10 years" or "since a decade" in their forums. Frustrations pour out and in galore. "Don't be evil" - Google "Be devil and also pull your greatest trick" - M$ [0]https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2516436/visual-studio-64-bit https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2516436/visual-studio-64...

oaiey 4y ago

That is not EEE. But monopolistic behavior.

philonoist 4y ago
Yeah, I mean it keeps on adding to the list of complaints and M$ won't budge.

nindalf 4y ago

> VStudio is best IDE but to with a secret tunnel to nefarious practices to use when needed[ like telemetry + closed source extensions + Heavy + slow + whatnot!] It’s telling that you needed help from “whatnot” to pad out this list. In what world is “Heavy + slow” a nefarious practice? Even assuming this is true, all of us have written software that was far from perfect. There wasn’t anything nefarious about either situation, it was only people trying to ship software under time constraints. That you ascribe evil intentions to some software being slow says more about you than them. Telemetry - so much digital ink has been spilled on this. Not one person I’ve asked can actually explain what’s wrong with this. What would actually go wrong if performance and usage metrics are sent to their server. “But they can be deanonymized!” Ok, let’s assume they can. Now we know it takes your computer 40ms to load the side bar, 20ms to create a new in-built terminal, and the version control screen crashes every time you open it. What now? How does this actually change anything? You folks complaining about telemetry think your job is done when you say “telemetry is nefarious”. But I can’t see a path for exploitation of this data in any way. No doubt you’ll tell us how. When doing so, please let’s assume that Microsoft is compliant with GDPR. Lastly closed source extensions - OP makes a compelling case that this is how we’ll end up with just one online editor. Yeah, I definitely see it. That’s the one thing I’ve been convinced of.

philonoist 4y ago
>In what world is “Heavy + slow” a nefarious practice? In M$ world and Apple's world( XCode). 2022's version was the first one to do a 64-bit release and became news titled - "awesome!", "Woah!", "amazing!", etc. [0] VStudio had nothing unique to it that the Rider din't have, but corporates and developers loved it because they could compensate by throwing some costly hardware and I must point out that it is usually from Intel that M$ is in monopoly in consumer and enterprise market. Apple is just the same, but it gets away being close to the *nix world. "performance improvements and bug smashes" are just fodder for despair that masquerades as hope, which could have been done away with long ago. Users report them and even showed what exactly could be done down to bits and bytes, but these thigs sleep there for a decade. All you need to do is create a developer account and search "for 10 years" or "since a decade" in their forums. Frustrations pour out and in galore. "Don't be evil" - Google "Be devil and also pull your greatest trick" - M$ [0]https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2516436/visual-studio-64-bit https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2516436/visual-studio-64...