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All of HashiCorp's products have splendid UX — what are you on about? Have you actually used their other products aside from Terraform, which I'm assuming you'r

by Axsuul 4y ago

All of HashiCorp's products have splendid UX — what are you on about? Have you actually used their other products aside from Terraform, which I'm assuming you're referring to?

datatrashfire 4y ago
I don't understand why some people hate teraform so much.
- lapser 4y ago
  Because it sucks. It has all the quirks and a whole lot of mess. That's terraform. Terraform Enterprise and Cloud must have been developed as a fuck you to enterprises, because it absolutely sucks. I work with them daily, and have done so for 4 years now. It still sucks. Unfortunately it's (Terraform, not TFE/TFC) the best in its class, and quite frankly I'm not smart to solve its issues.
  - cube2222 4y ago
    If you're having a bad time with TFC/TFE, make sure to check out Spacelift[0]. We're striving to build a product that's both highly customizable and has a good UX, improving on many of the pain points. The migration path is straightforward and it'd be great to hear what you think about it! [0]: https://spacelift.io https://spacelift.io Disclaimer: Software Engineer at Spacelift
    - lapser 4y ago
      I have checked it out. Also checked out Scalr and some other one that I can't remember the name of. Issue isn't finding an alternative, it's convincing the team to move away from TFE and TFC.
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- thayne 4y ago
  Terraform is great... until you hit one of it's many limitations, or run into a bug in a provider that really ruins your day. Plenty of people probably never run into those problems. But if you do, it's pretty terrible. To be fair, there isn't really anything better. Pulumi and CDK address some of the limitations by using a "real" programming language, but introduce different issues. And bugs in providers are probably unavoidable, and are partly the fault of poor APIs from cloud providers.
  - throwaway787544 4y ago
    Agreed. And nobody tries to replace it because nobody could replace all those providers without an army of engineers. And nobody is going to use a new project that only implements one or two APIs.
  - sdnas211 4y ago
    > run into a bug in a provider that really ruins your day Most of these problems I encounter aren't even down to hashi themselves. The GCP provider consumes from google's magic modules repo, which is often out of sync with the GCP API. Or in plenty of cases, it is in sync, but the API does not expose features in the same way as the console.

by Axsuul 4y ago

All of HashiCorp's products have splendid UX — what are you on about? Have you actually used their other products aside from Terraform, which I'm assuming you're referring to?

datatrashfire 4y ago

I don't understand why some people hate teraform so much.

lapser 4y ago
Because it sucks. It has all the quirks and a whole lot of mess. That's terraform. Terraform Enterprise and Cloud must have been developed as a fuck you to enterprises, because it absolutely sucks. I work with them daily, and have done so for 4 years now. It still sucks. Unfortunately it's (Terraform, not TFE/TFC) the best in its class, and quite frankly I'm not smart to solve its issues.
- cube2222 4y ago
  If you're having a bad time with TFC/TFE, make sure to check out Spacelift[0]. We're striving to build a product that's both highly customizable and has a good UX, improving on many of the pain points. The migration path is straightforward and it'd be great to hear what you think about it! [0]: https://spacelift.io https://spacelift.io Disclaimer: Software Engineer at Spacelift
  - lapser 4y ago
    I have checked it out. Also checked out Scalr and some other one that I can't remember the name of. Issue isn't finding an alternative, it's convincing the team to move away from TFE and TFC.
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thayne 4y ago
Terraform is great... until you hit one of it's many limitations, or run into a bug in a provider that really ruins your day. Plenty of people probably never run into those problems. But if you do, it's pretty terrible. To be fair, there isn't really anything better. Pulumi and CDK address some of the limitations by using a "real" programming language, but introduce different issues. And bugs in providers are probably unavoidable, and are partly the fault of poor APIs from cloud providers.
- throwaway787544 4y ago
  Agreed. And nobody tries to replace it because nobody could replace all those providers without an army of engineers. And nobody is going to use a new project that only implements one or two APIs.
- sdnas211 4y ago
  > run into a bug in a provider that really ruins your day Most of these problems I encounter aren't even down to hashi themselves. The GCP provider consumes from google's magic modules repo, which is often out of sync with the GCP API. Or in plenty of cases, it is in sync, but the API does not expose features in the same way as the console.