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> Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Don't people on the left do this too, th

> Anyone I know that followed Rogan usually begins to take on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona. Don't people on the left do this too, though? I mean you don't have to look much further than the comments on this story. Joe Rogan is a podcaster - nobody has to listen to him if they don't want to. And I get that he has a wide audience, but the entertainment that other people choose to consume ultimately isn't a very big concern for me and how I choose to live my life. And yet look how controversial the comments are on this fluff piece about what it's like to visit his studio for a day.

quitit 4y ago
It’s called the political horseshoe - but it’s exceedingly overweighted on the right wing in the USA. Being external the USA helps provide a reference point that people inside the USA often lack. However the key difference in my point is that people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda.
- freetime2 4y ago
  I agree that the US has an unhealthy addiction to sensational journalism. And while I agree that it appears to be worse on the right (e.g. "stop the steal" and the ensuing capitol riot), I also find that it's so prevalent in leftwing (e.g. coverage of the Trump/Russia scandal [1]) and even "mainstream" media that it's not really worth trying to frame as a left vs. right issue since it's just what the bulk of Americans are consuming at this point. And I'm not even sure what can be done about it - as you mentioned elsewhere people are actively choosing to be scared and misled by heavily-biased journalism. > people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda. I agree with you in principle here, but one issue I have is who gets to decide which things "actually matter"? I think that if you and I were to compare things that actually matter to us, there might be some irreconcilable differences. [1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-c...
banannaise 4y ago
The operative problem is that the ecosystem he is nurturing does, in fact, show up at our front doors. Literal physical anti-trans violence is something I have personally experienced, and it came from a group of people spouting Rogan-esque nonsense as justification for what they were doing. Ignoring Joe Rogan does not solve the problem. I am a victim to things that literally physically affect me that are caused in part by Joe Rogan et al. creating a narrative that violence against me and people like me is justified and/or funny.
- freetime2 4y ago
  Do you have any specific examples where Joe Rogan says that anti-trans violence is justified and/or funny?
standardUser 4y ago
"Don't people on the left do this too, though?" Why is your first instinct to equivocate instead of holding people responsible? It's a weird impulse a lot of people seem to have.
- freetime2 4y ago
  The parent implied that Joe Rogan listeners were especially prone to to “taking on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona”. I was just pointing out that this is by no means unique to Joe Rogan listeners or the right wing - I’d say it’s just basic human nature really. I also felt a particular sense of irony that the comment was being made in response to a rather benign fluff piece about the show: in my opinion a lot of the outrage about Rogan is overblown and the mere mention of his name seems to whip people up into a frenzy - and I wanted to point that out as well. Whenever someone is bashing a particular group of people for exhibiting a certain trait, I think it’s worth questioning whether that trait is really unique or unusually common in that group. Many times it is not, and it is just our biases that make it seem that way. And just in general I find that it’s unproductive to make disparaging comments about large groups of people. I do regret saying "people on the left". I used it as a counter-example to the parent comment which mentioned "right-wingers", but if I could amend it I would probably just say "people in general". With regards to holding people responsible: I don’t know - I think it’s ok for people to have and express opinions about things that don’t affect them personally. I think where we often fail is in maintaining a healthy perspective and open mind about things - but on the other hand I don’t think it is my place to tell other people what they are allowed to get angry at or how much they are allowed to care about something. But I am all for open dialogue and questioning people about their beliefs, respectful debate, etc. - which I guess is my version of "holding people responsible".
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    > I’d say it’s just basic human nature really I'd say it's a learned behavior that feels that way because we live in a society that rewards it far too much and to regularly.

quitit 4y ago

It’s called the political horseshoe - but it’s exceedingly overweighted on the right wing in the USA. Being external the USA helps provide a reference point that people inside the USA often lack. However the key difference in my point is that people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda.

freetime2 4y ago
I agree that the US has an unhealthy addiction to sensational journalism. And while I agree that it appears to be worse on the right (e.g. "stop the steal" and the ensuing capitol riot), I also find that it's so prevalent in leftwing (e.g. coverage of the Trump/Russia scandal [1]) and even "mainstream" media that it's not really worth trying to frame as a left vs. right issue since it's just what the bulk of Americans are consuming at this point. And I'm not even sure what can be done about it - as you mentioned elsewhere people are actively choosing to be scared and misled by heavily-biased journalism. > people shouldn't be made to feel as if they are victims to things that don't actually matter - it's verging on propaganda. I agree with you in principle here, but one issue I have is who gets to decide which things "actually matter"? I think that if you and I were to compare things that actually matter to us, there might be some irreconcilable differences. [1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-c...

banannaise 4y ago

The operative problem is that the ecosystem he is nurturing does, in fact, show up at our front doors. Literal physical anti-trans violence is something I have personally experienced, and it came from a group of people spouting Rogan-esque nonsense as justification for what they were doing. Ignoring Joe Rogan does not solve the problem. I am a victim to things that literally physically affect me that are caused in part by Joe Rogan et al. creating a narrative that violence against me and people like me is justified and/or funny.

freetime2 4y ago
Do you have any specific examples where Joe Rogan says that anti-trans violence is justified and/or funny?

standardUser 4y ago

"Don't people on the left do this too, though?" Why is your first instinct to equivocate instead of holding people responsible? It's a weird impulse a lot of people seem to have.

freetime2 4y ago
The parent implied that Joe Rogan listeners were especially prone to to “taking on the I'm a victim to things that don't affect me persona”. I was just pointing out that this is by no means unique to Joe Rogan listeners or the right wing - I’d say it’s just basic human nature really. I also felt a particular sense of irony that the comment was being made in response to a rather benign fluff piece about the show: in my opinion a lot of the outrage about Rogan is overblown and the mere mention of his name seems to whip people up into a frenzy - and I wanted to point that out as well. Whenever someone is bashing a particular group of people for exhibiting a certain trait, I think it’s worth questioning whether that trait is really unique or unusually common in that group. Many times it is not, and it is just our biases that make it seem that way. And just in general I find that it’s unproductive to make disparaging comments about large groups of people. I do regret saying "people on the left". I used it as a counter-example to the parent comment which mentioned "right-wingers", but if I could amend it I would probably just say "people in general". With regards to holding people responsible: I don’t know - I think it’s ok for people to have and express opinions about things that don’t affect them personally. I think where we often fail is in maintaining a healthy perspective and open mind about things - but on the other hand I don’t think it is my place to tell other people what they are allowed to get angry at or how much they are allowed to care about something. But I am all for open dialogue and questioning people about their beliefs, respectful debate, etc. - which I guess is my version of "holding people responsible".
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  > I’d say it’s just basic human nature really I'd say it's a learned behavior that feels that way because we live in a society that rewards it far too much and to regularly.