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Did you read the whole post? Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the cont

Did you read the whole post? Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the content. This will absolutely be an enormous thing in the next 10, 20 years and it will lead to a creative revolution in the same way that youtube did - entire genres that do not currently exist will come to fruition by lowering the barriers to entry to a huge number of creators. I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, and I suspect I won't have any trouble finding movies generated using AI as a production tool that I want to watch either.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Did you read the whole post as per HN rule, don't ask this question. > Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the content which is exactly the problem we don't have. there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light. > and it will lead to a creative revolution it won't main reason why content is not produced is money. unless you find a way to create an infinite supply of money and an infinite amount of paying audience for that content, more content is a problem, not a solution. > I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, so what's the problem? There's already infinite content out there, what does the "AI" brings to the table that will make any difference, other than marketing, like 3D movies? Have you watched any 3D movie recently?
- motoxpro 4y ago
  It sounds like you are arguing FOR the GP's idea. "there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light." "main reason why content is not produced is money." So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, and you could put those ideas into a box and spit out a movie that would normally cost millions, that's good right?
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, big chunk of the budget is spent on marketing. if you produce something that nobody watch, it's like the sound of the tree falling where nobody can hear it. if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. Also: Al Pacino will want his money if you use his name, even if he is not actually acting in the movie. Reality is that there's plenty of ideas, true, that would not make any money though. Studios don't like to work at loss. Rick and Morty costs 1.5 million dollars per episode and from what we've heard from director Erica Hayes, a single episode takes anywhere between 9 and 12 months to create from ideation to completion
    - MaxikCZ 4y ago
      >if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. Cutting costs seems to be the main reason AI is being explored. If you go to studio asking for budget to create a movie and predict "10 000 people will watch it", they will laugh in your face. If one person with the help of AI can make the movie and 10 000 people will watch it, its a win for everyone involved. I dont see youtube channels having enormous budgets for marketing, yet they find sizeable audience and make profit still. Once you lower the cost of production, you dont need huge marketing budgets to secure profits.
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > I dont see youtube channels having enormous budgets for marketing, Because they mainly support one person. You don't need a big budget to sell lemonade on the street, you can make a salary out of it, doesn't mean you have become a tycoon or have revolutionized the lemonade stand industry. > I dont see youtube channels having enormous budgets for marketing Have you seen those ADS every 15 seconds? That's the marketing budget, the whole YouTube ADS revenue is the marketing budget.
    - motoxpro 4y ago
      > if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. A social media account with a couple million followers i.e. https://www.instagram.com/lilmiquela/?hl=en https://www.instagram.com/lilmiquela/?hl=en > Also: Al Pacino will want his money if you use his name, even if he is not actually acting in the movie. The creator doesn't need Al Pacino. I'm not following this one. Rick and Morty doesn't need Angelina Jolie > Reality is that there's plenty of ideas, true, that would not make any money though. Plenty of websites, 99.999% of them don't make any money. I definitely still think the easier it is to make a website the better. > Rick and Morty costs 1.5 million dollars per episode and from what we've heard from director Erica Hayes, a single episode takes anywhere between 9 and 12 months to create from ideation to completion If that includes marketing and advertising, that's amazingly cheap. Cut the creation time down to a few weeks, throw in a few product placements, post it on your social media/youtube/etc and you have your own movie studio.
bawolff 4y ago
> I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, and I suspect I won't have any trouble finding movies generated using AI as a production tool that I want to watch either. Not really the same - there is a range from good to bad on youtube, because real people are adding the creative spark. There is no reason to suspect AI will generate such a range, and its unclear we will ever get to the point where AI can do "creativity" by itself.
- wpietri 4y ago
  Exactly. I'm sure we'll see a lot of AI-assisted production. But AI-originated and high quality? I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime. (I do expect though, that we'll see people claiming works as AI-created, as the controversy will be stellar marketing.)

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> Did you read the whole post as per HN rule, don't ask this question. > Parent post was talking about assisted movie generation where a human is making a movie and using the AI as a tool to make the content which is exactly the problem we don't have. there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light. > and it will lead to a creative revolution it won't main reason why content is not produced is money. unless you find a way to create an infinite supply of money and an infinite amount of paying audience for that content, more content is a problem, not a solution. > I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, so what's the problem? There's already infinite content out there, what does the "AI" brings to the table that will make any difference, other than marketing, like 3D movies? Have you watched any 3D movie recently?

motoxpro 4y ago
It sounds like you are arguing FOR the GP's idea. "there are thousands of scripts written everyday that never see the green light." "main reason why content is not produced is money." So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, and you could put those ideas into a box and spit out a movie that would normally cost millions, that's good right?
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > So if there are plenty of ideas and not enough money, big chunk of the budget is spent on marketing. if you produce something that nobody watch, it's like the sound of the tree falling where nobody can hear it. if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. Also: Al Pacino will want his money if you use his name, even if he is not actually acting in the movie. Reality is that there's plenty of ideas, true, that would not make any money though. Studios don't like to work at loss. Rick and Morty costs 1.5 million dollars per episode and from what we've heard from director Erica Hayes, a single episode takes anywhere between 9 and 12 months to create from ideation to completion
  - MaxikCZ 4y ago
    >if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. Cutting costs seems to be the main reason AI is being explored. If you go to studio asking for budget to create a movie and predict "10 000 people will watch it", they will laugh in your face. If one person with the help of AI can make the movie and 10 000 people will watch it, its a win for everyone involved. I dont see youtube channels having enormous budgets for marketing, yet they find sizeable audience and make profit still. Once you lower the cost of production, you dont need huge marketing budgets to secure profits.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > I dont see youtube channels having enormous budgets for marketing, Because they mainly support one person. You don't need a big budget to sell lemonade on the street, you can make a salary out of it, doesn't mean you have become a tycoon or have revolutionized the lemonade stand industry. > I dont see youtube channels having enormous budgets for marketing Have you seen those ADS every 15 seconds? That's the marketing budget, the whole YouTube ADS revenue is the marketing budget.
  - motoxpro 4y ago
    > if you know how to use AI to cut that cost, I'm all ears. A social media account with a couple million followers i.e. https://www.instagram.com/lilmiquela/?hl=en https://www.instagram.com/lilmiquela/?hl=en > Also: Al Pacino will want his money if you use his name, even if he is not actually acting in the movie. The creator doesn't need Al Pacino. I'm not following this one. Rick and Morty doesn't need Angelina Jolie > Reality is that there's plenty of ideas, true, that would not make any money though. Plenty of websites, 99.999% of them don't make any money. I definitely still think the easier it is to make a website the better. > Rick and Morty costs 1.5 million dollars per episode and from what we've heard from director Erica Hayes, a single episode takes anywhere between 9 and 12 months to create from ideation to completion If that includes marketing and advertising, that's amazingly cheap. Cut the creation time down to a few weeks, throw in a few product placements, post it on your social media/youtube/etc and you have your own movie studio.

bawolff 4y ago

> I don't have any trouble finding youtube channels that I like to watch and ignoring the rest, and I suspect I won't have any trouble finding movies generated using AI as a production tool that I want to watch either. Not really the same - there is a range from good to bad on youtube, because real people are adding the creative spark. There is no reason to suspect AI will generate such a range, and its unclear we will ever get to the point where AI can do "creativity" by itself.

wpietri 4y ago
Exactly. I'm sure we'll see a lot of AI-assisted production. But AI-originated and high quality? I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime. (I do expect though, that we'll see people claiming works as AI-created, as the controversy will be stellar marketing.)